Friday, September 29, 2006

Kings win out in Johnson deal

From a friend of mine, a few minutes ago:
I'm more confused by the Johnson trade today. I get the whole "our window is open now so lets trade the future to make a run in the present" mentality. But I would have thought Jack Johnson would fetch more than this. They need a scoring winger, and some help on D. Did they really get that?
Carolina GM Jim Rutherford did lose out in today's trade, there's no question, but I think it's a little more even than most are saying.

Belanger and Gleason are both underrated, and Gleason was a high pick — he was one of the top defencemen in the OHL three years ago. I think another big thing that people miss is that they had to dump Tverdovsky's salary, which frees up $2.5-million from a guy they really weren't going to play at all. I mean, he rode the bench all through the Cup run. (Of course, combined Belanger and Gleason essentially make $2.5-million so there'll likely be no 'picking up another player' like Bob McKenzie suggests.)

Still, if Johnson turns into the second coming of Scott Stevens, this trade makes Carolina look bad three or four years from now.

The thing I don't get is why there was so much pressure on the kid to play in the NHL before he wanted to. He's only 19, and the 'Canes would get another, likely more productive, year out of him before free agency if he plays in the NCAA. Johnson had always wanted to play for Michigan, and I don't think pressuring him to leave the school after one year was a wise move.

You can really see what the Kings are building in California — first the deal at the entry draft that saw Pavol Demitra dealt for Pat O'Sullivan and a first-rounder, and now this. This team is shaping up well for next year or further down the line.

9 Comments:

At 8:54 PM, September 29, 2006, Blogger Joe Pelletier said...

In the following article by Spector:

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Spector/2006/09/29/Hurricanes_Kings_in_MultiPlayer_Swap

However, they've only acquired his rights thus far, and have to get him under contract, which may not be easy if he insists on playing another year of college hockey.

That would mean Johnson is unavailable to the Kings this season, and there's the potential that if he decides to remain in university until he gets his degree, he could go back into the draft again.

If the Kings can convince him to foresake college and sign with them this summer, they could have a potential defensive superstar on their hands.

I'm a little confused. In the past college players rights were not like junior players. They could be retained longer so long as they were in college. Did this change with the new CBA? If Jack Johnson is so adamant about completing his education and doesn't sign, and the rules are as Spector suggests, the Kings could lose out.

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At 10:26 PM, September 29, 2006, Blogger James Mirtle said...

He's going to sign. It's not like Johnson's saying he won't play in the NHL ever — he's just playing another year of college hockey.

Considering the Kings have his rights for all of that time, I find it hard to believe Lombardi won't be able to give him a contract. An entry-level deal is an entry-level deal.

 
At 10:39 PM, September 29, 2006, Blogger nuts4pucks said...

Dollars to donuts JJ signs an NHL contract within 6 or 7 months. I can't believe what a boneheaded stunt this was and I'm absolutely certain that the Canes are gonna regret this day for a long time to come.

When I heard the news, I almost sent my season tickets back. Words can't adequately convey how disgusted I am at this. The blue line in Carolina is a mess right now, but Tim Gleason isn't the answer - now or in the future. I've heard him described as a big body with a great shot. Sounds a whole lot like Anton Babchuk to me, and I'd have much rather seen the Canes give him a chance to develop. Unfortunately, this organization has a track record of giving up on young defensemen too early, so maybe they're making that mistake again twice over.

David Tanabe is as big a marshmallow as ever, and a pylon to boot now that he's worried about his knee and in spite of my screaming "just say no" they still went out and signed him again.

This trade blows for the Canes.

 
At 5:20 AM, September 30, 2006, Anonymous Zanstorm said...

I am not going to rush into a judgement of this trade until I see Belanger and Gleason play at least one year in Carolina.
You are right about the Kings though, their distant future looks bright!

 
At 12:32 PM, September 30, 2006, Blogger CasonBlog said...

If the ultimate goal is to win Stanley Cups, then this move keeps the Hurricanes team structure very similar to last year. Belanger plays the role of Cullen - Gleason as no-name blueliner X.

I think the loss of Aaron Ward drove this deal as much as the loss of Frankie Kaberle. AWard sticks around, JR can let the Tanabe return play out and wait another year on Johnson.

If the goal is to accumulate star-caliber players, you end up with Glen Sather's New York Rangers.

 
At 8:15 PM, September 30, 2006, Blogger Joe Pelletier said...

"Glen Sather's Rangers" is a pretty weak shot nowadays, me thinks. The Rangers were strong last year and I really like what they did in the off season.

No one has been able to answer my initial question: How long does an NHL team retain a US college players rights under this new CBA? 2 years? 4 years?

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At 11:17 PM, September 30, 2006, Blogger allan said...

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At 11:36 PM, September 30, 2006, Blogger Joe Pelletier said...

Spector himself has answered the question. He corrected himself and the answer is an NHL team has until Aug 15th of his graduation year to sign. I would assume that would be a 4 year maximum on graduation.

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At 11:59 PM, September 30, 2006, Blogger allan said...

The copy of the CBA on nhlpa.com has security on it which prevents me from copying and pasting Article 8 for you, but it says that the team holds playing rights until the August 15 following graduation of his class.

If he leaves school, the team holds his rights until the fourth June 1 following the draft.

 

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