Wednesday, January 10, 2007

How big should the Cup be?

At it's basic level, that's the question at the heart of the debate surrounding this story.

Whether or not all of the names of history are included on the Stanley Cup into eternity — well, debating that is a fool's game: It's an unreasonable and, quite simply, unworkable non-solution to a very practical problem.

But beyond that, when it comes to this removing bits of the Cup business, you wonder just how big should it be?

Stevie Y. is happy to see you

Don from the Battle of Ontario dropped this post into my email inbox last night, and it gives you a look at just what we're debating. And what I can't help but wonder is, in that second, photoshopped shot of Steve Yzerman hoisting an abnormally large trophy, would it not be more realistic for the Red Wings captain to have an oversized vein throbbing in his forehead as he struggles to keep that behemoth above his head?

The Cup at the size we're accustomed to weighs 35 pounds, a reasonable size for what it's made for (skating the victory lap and making like a stone penguin in the bottom of Mario's pool).

And, as Bryan Trottier said, isn't that what really matters?

If that means we lose the Maple Leafs from the Cup's visage in 26 years, so be it.


At 7:39 AM, January 10, 2007, Blogger alyosha mcbain said...

Size doesn't matter...but if it did I would suggest removing the lockout championship of 1995 from the Cup as a starting point.

At 9:31 AM, January 10, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that having all the past winners on the Cup is definitely part of its cachet.

The best suggestion from the BoO that I saw was that the older lower rings be removed and put on display while the names are condensed on a new ring (ie. take 2 old ones off and replace with one new one).

At 11:31 AM, January 10, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't all the older rings on display at the Hall of Fame? Im sure I saw them there years ago.

At 12:38 PM, January 10, 2007, Anonymous grace said...

The only people making a big deal out of this are the Leaf fans. For being so "faithful" to the Leafs they're scared that in 26 years their leaf brand will be removed from the ring like they never won it at all. Boo hoo.

I agree with the taking off the layers and "re-creating" the Stanley Cup in the HHOF as each layer is peeled.

At 12:59 PM, January 10, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, it was a sens fan that started the discussion and wants to see the history of the cup preserved.

And anyway, there are still 26 seasons before the anti-Leafs lemmings have a chance to see a cup without the Leafs on it.

At 1:00 PM, January 10, 2007, Anonymous Karina said...

There was an article in the Globe & Mail about this yesterday... the removed layers are flattened and put on display at the HHOF...

And not only Leaf fans are upset about this. Gordie Howe's name is no longer on the cup either, and some Wings fans think that's a shame.

At 1:36 PM, January 10, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In ten years, if the practice continues, you won't find Maurice Richard on it either.

I think the solution is a combination of:
- reengraving all the bands in a smaller font (has been done before)
- perhaps making the bands just slightly bigger (diameter)
- reducing the number of people being written per year on it from the 55 there is now to 40 by reducing management/staff allowed and increasing the required gms played during the reg season if you didn't play during the playoffs

The Cup wouldn't look any bigger but would retain one of it's greatest charms - that all who have won it are engraved on it.

Those measures would delay any further purging of previous winner for decades.

And if two new bands need to be added then so be it. The picture of Yzerman there isn't that ridiculous. If the weight is the concern then use lighter metal when the re-engraving takes place and/or reduce the weight of the base metal. We have the technology.

At 2:43 PM, January 10, 2007, Blogger Doogie said...

Well, the teams that won -- but nothing else -- is enscribed on the upper portion of the trophy up to 1993. That's at least something.

At 3:29 PM, January 10, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

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At 3:31 PM, January 10, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

who cares. When they're carrying it around the ice, no one is stopping to read Maurice Richard's name. Taking names off is inevitable. Want to make sure everyone is included? Switch it to just team names... You win and lose as a team anyway - but eventually some of those will need to be removed as well.

At 6:07 PM, January 10, 2007, Blogger Graham said...

if the Leafs can't win another cup in 26 years, then they don't deserve to be on the cup.

At 9:08 PM, January 10, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me? The Stanley Cup is the ultimate trophy of any sport. Then again, Hockey is the ultimate sport, but we'll get into that talk another time. Baseball has a frail Disney-like crown of a trophy. Basketball is not a trophy. The Lombardi trohy is nice, but doesn't acknowledge past greatness. The World Cup, let's not go there.

At 11:40 PM, January 10, 2007, Blogger Wardo said...

What a stupid argument.

The policy of removing the rings from the Cup is absolutely necessary. There's a lot of years of hockey left yet to play, boys. I mean - making the font smaller, are you insane? It would have to be microscopically etched on there to ensure everybody gets a spot. Think of all the championship teams/names that will need a place by the year, oh, 2097 or something. It's absurd.

And who cares of Toronto's name comes off the Cup. We'll just have to make sure it goes back on.

Finally, leave the Cup the size it is. It's awesome in its current form. Why does everything in the NHL have to change?! Nets, goalie equipment, sticks - not the CUP! Just leave it alone, for crying out loud.

At 9:04 AM, January 11, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The names on the Cup are not engraved, they are stamped with letter punches. Each ring contains 13 years allowing names to remain on the 5 ring base for 65 years. Seeing that average age for players winning would be 25, the names would remain on the Cup for 90 years - most players lifetimes!

Did you know that the original top ring from the Trophy has gone missing?

All the winners from 1928 to 1941 mysteriously disappeared around the time the Montreal Canadiens won in 1969 and gave a miniature memento Cup to Toe Blake. Gone forever are the 1929 and 39 Bruins names. They can only be found on the original rings of the replica. They are not inscribed on the duplicate of the replica that sits in the HHOF.

Too bad for the Leafs and all teams with 65 year droughts - the resizing of the Cup is not an issue.

At 9:11 AM, January 11, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

65 year droughts? we don't need you adding years to the Leafs futility.

At 11:44 AM, January 11, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I meant in terms of teams not being on the Cups five lower bands - I wasn't referring to any present case, although they will get there!

At 12:11 PM, January 11, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAHA of course by the time the Leafs hit 65 the Habs will be closing in on our present 40 years.

At 2:55 PM, January 11, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Habs will be closing in on maybe five! They know what it takes to win better than anyone and are presently doing it. Keep watching and learn! JK!

At 4:19 PM, January 11, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of hammering out the rings (which looks terrible BTW) they should re-stack them at the HOH and leave them there.

The "official" Cup is so often on travel and replaced by a dupe, why not have the original rings on display at the hall permanently with a bowl on top.

They can replace the top of ring of the "official" Cup with the name and year of the teams that have been removed from the cup instead.


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