Tuesday, January 16, 2007

Picking the Selke candidates

The boys at the Battle of Alberta had an interesting comment last week about Rod Brind'Amour's chances of winning the Selke, and it got me thinking about what objective measures you can use to determine the league's top defensive forward. First, here's Grabia/Fenwick:
I can pretty much guarantee that Rod Brind'Amour will get lots of Selke votes again this year despite the fact that he gets scored on more than Patty from Modesto on a Saturday night. He plays a lot, takes lots of faceoffs, and most importantly, he's extremely popular and few will object if he wins.
It's true: Brind'Amour probably will finish in the Top 5 in voting for the trophy at the end of the year, and he's certainly been a popular choice at The Globe's weekly Trophy Tracker throughout the year. But the thing I'm wondering is: What statistical measures should factor into picking the winner here? And is there a way to objectively determine who the front-runners this season are? Can a pure penalty killer challenge for the award when so many 'defensive' forwards with gaudy point totals are always vying for it?

I'll have my own picks for important stat categories and Selke candidates, but I'm curious to see what others have in mind for this one.

(Unlike some of the more subjective awards, like the Lady Byng, I really like what the Selke stands for and think picking the 'right' winner is important, as it's one of the few avenues for recognizing important cogs who do things like kill penalties and play a shutdown role. It also makes me wish there was a similar award for defencemen named after Scott Stevens or Rod Langway.)


At 6:54 PM, January 16, 2007, Blogger Earl Sleek said...

Pahlsson is god.

At 9:33 PM, January 16, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It ought to go to someone who has at least a passing acquaintance with offence, so Brindamour is a solid choice. Anybody with the skating ability to make the NHL, if he were to abandon scoring altogether (like, say, Kirk Maltby) could be a checker. It's not like it takes any talent.

At 12:44 AM, January 17, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My basis
- must be top two lines
- must contribute enough offensively to be considered important to the team (a plus player)
- should play 2:00 short handed, but not required.
- should have <2.2GA/hr (depending on goal tending though)
- if penalty killer <6GA/hr (depending on goal tending/team)

At this point in the season based on the above criteria I would give it to Legwand. (+3,-4 in 84 PK minutes)

If you remove SH part:
Here's a number of good choices:

You could also use shots against, as I keep track of them, then some great choices include:
Pahlsson/Niedermayer (Bad PKers though)

This is mostly based on numbers so you can take it or leave it (players must have >39 games)... Problem is a defensive forward isn't really well defined.

At 9:04 AM, January 17, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 11:57 AM, January 17, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 5:47 PM, January 17, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

M Hossa 48GP 29G 32A 61Pts +9 2:13 SHTOI Takeaways-Giveaways=+20

Phalsson 48GP 7G 12A 19Pts +4 4:39 SHTOI(leads league) Takeaways-Giveaways= +22

Lehtinen 41GP 12G 10A 22Pts +1 3:18 SHTOI Takeaways-Giveaways= +26


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