Saturday, March 03, 2007

Kaberle taken off on stretcher

Toronto's Tomas Kaberle was just the victim of a late hit by New Jersey's Cam Janssen and is down on the ice in a heap. A stretcher has been brought out onto the ice.

The Maple Leafs' flagging playoff hopes may have just taken a major hit.

Can anyone honestly explain why that late flying elbow to the head wasn't a penalty?

UPDATE with video added now. How about an injured Darcy Tucker coming over to have a few words with Janssen? You have to think Tucker will be back on the ice when the Leafs face the Devils again one last time before the end of the season.

UPDATE Janssen has been slapped with a three-game suspension for the hit. Discuss amongst yourselves whether that's appropriate (although who the hell knows given the willy-nilly punishments that have been handed out this year).

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40 Comments:

At 9:14 PM, March 02, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The official didn't see it?

 
At 9:17 PM, March 02, 2007, Anonymous ken said...

How is it that a piece of crap with ONE point in his 84-game career can cheap shot a good player with 49 points in 64 games this season? What other sport would allow that?

"Here's Ichiro stepping up to the plate. He's 3-for-4 today. A base hit here will likely win the ga--OH! the catcher has knocked him out with an elbow to the face!"

I mean, really.

I love hockey, but I hate the NHL.

 
At 9:30 PM, March 02, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

Kelly Sutherland must be blind in addition to being stupid. He was 10 feet away from the flying elbow.

Another POS scrub takes out a Leaf. Who wants to be that Colin Campbell's Wheel of Justice will land on a 0 game suspension.

I know it's wrong but right now I keep picturing Belak's elbow going through Janssen's jaw.

 
At 9:31 PM, March 02, 2007, Blogger Desdemona said...

Janssen hasn't been on the ice since, not due to anything the refs said of course.

 
At 9:35 PM, March 02, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

That's fine. Belak's not in the lineup. If the Leafs are out of it on March 20th I want to see Brad Brown and Belak in the lineup to take care of that POS.

 
At 10:06 PM, March 02, 2007, Blogger alyosha mcbain said...

Anything a Devil player does on the ice is permissible, as is anything done by their chief executive....they can circumvent the spirit of a salary cap that they fought for, along with the basic rules of play in a game.

For once it's not just a bunch of Ranger fans (like me) complaining about them now, is it?

 
At 10:29 PM, March 02, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

Well that comeback win has to be a bit of karma but I still want to see Janssen twitching on the ice.

 
At 10:34 PM, March 02, 2007, Anonymous David Johnson said...

Janssen could have gotten any of 2 for charging 5 for elbowing or even 2 minutes for boarding. Instead the referee standing 15 feet away called nothing. If the league doesn't hand down a minimum 5 game suspension it will once again show what a joke of a league it is.

 
At 10:48 PM, March 02, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is one rule for the NHL and one rule for Lou's Devils.
It's time to bring up a goon and next game take out little Marty. Take out his knee.

 
At 10:48 PM, March 02, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

I've changed my mind. I want a hanging in Nathan Phillips Square.

March 20th. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Belak better deliver or he might as well be bought out.

And in the English Premiership a referee that made such an atrocious error would find himself in the lower divisions so fast it would make his head spin. Kelly Sutherland should be in the ECHL.

GO LEAFS!

 
At 12:07 AM, March 03, 2007, Anonymous chelischalkoutlines said...

I'm continualy amazed to see that the quality of officiating at the NHL level if often on par with my men's league.

Aloysha - well said, I'm just as tired of Lou's antics as the next person, but its hard to argue the Devils success (other than in attendance).

 
At 12:43 AM, March 03, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

The quality of referees is ridiculous.

And the Devils CBA shenanigans? Unacceptable.

Attendance? pathetic. Entire sections in the lower bowl were empty.

Forget Florida, contract the Devils.

 
At 1:42 AM, March 03, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

are you all kidding me, the hit was a bit late, i'll give you that, but it wasn't dirty. the he didn't lead with the elbow. like every other hit, you follow through. is it jansen's fault he's bigger than kaberle and kaberle has trouble skating when taking a hit?

 
At 6:30 AM, March 03, 2007, Anonymous Baroque said...

Simple. It isn't a penalty because no "true fan" actually wants to see the "fancy Euro figure skaters" be able to do whatever they want. They want to see fights and "physical play" and mayhem, and if the skill players get their blocks knocked off by a (cheap/late) hit because they were't keeping their heads up, well, that is what they deserve. It's their own fault for not being tough enough to play a man's game.

That's okay, though, because then the only time the "figure skaters" will distract us is when they are answering questions from the media about how their latest rehab is progressing and when they can be expected on the ice, while the fighters and goons can roam the ice and demonstrate their "skills" with impunity. After all, that is what the fans want, right? That will just pack the arenas in cities like Atlanta and Nashville, since exciting players and winning hockey games hasn't, right? That will make non-hockey fans rush right to their Tivos and search for Versus so they can see the spectacle, right? Right? At least, that is what I keep hearing...

NHL punishment...what a @#$%@#$ joke.

 
At 7:09 AM, March 03, 2007, Blogger mike said...

Cam Janssens is a punk to boot--he loves to drop the gloves with guys who are smaller than he is. Even with his careful choice in dance partners he still only wins a little more than half his dustups. But the biggest punk on the Devils is their GM, closely followed by their goaltender.

 
At 8:39 AM, March 03, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

Wow, first anonymous, you are clueless. I doubt you watched the hit or you would have seen Janssen drive his shoulder through Kaberle's head. This had nothing to do with size as Kaberle is an inch taller than Janssen.

 
At 9:16 AM, March 03, 2007, Blogger niteowl said...

The hit was a bit late, eh anonymous?

I was able to grab a sandwich from the kitchen in the span of time from Kaberle's pass to when he got hit.

Janssen is a punk headhunter with no skill whatsoever, plain and simple.

 
At 1:01 PM, March 03, 2007, Anonymous Lammy said...

Three things...

I've been playing hockey for close to 25 years now, and my coaches have always told me to 'finish my checks' and to 'take the body'. To the Janssens and Neils of the world: 'taking the head' and 'finishing your check' are not synonymous. Unless your opponent is blowing through the neutral zone with his head down, there is usually a way to hit him without putting your shoulder through his frickin' jaw.

Must applaude the Leaves for putting three past Brodeur after Kaberle was wheeled off on a stretcher.

And finally... I watched the highlights of the Devils-Leafs game on the NHL Highlight Machine this morning. Why present the sanitized version of the game? Do you think we're idiots? We know what happened last night. Give us some credit, and stop trying to bury the less savory apects of the game. Maybe you just don't want us to be part of the debate?

 
At 2:06 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger Danny Pugsley said...

I've said it before and I've said it again - you have to outlaw hits that make contact with the opponents head, even make it a game misconduct until the message hits home.

These sort of hits though show what disregard (maybe even disrespect) there is towards a fellow player in the NHL these days.

What does a lynch-mob hell bent on retribution achieve though?

ppp - I think it depends which teams are involved in the Premiership game though...

 
At 2:41 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger John said...

Watched the clip a few times and can't help being struck how similar the hit was to Neil's on Drury. Why is the NHL so paralyzed over making examples out of hits like these? If you hit a guy in the head, you should be gone.

 
At 2:51 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger selfish crab said...

What's similar with the Neil on Drury hit is that both hits resulted in a secondary collision that probably made things a lot worse.

Drury lost his helmet then struck the ice head-first. Here, Kaberle whiplashed into the boards, head-first.

 
At 2:53 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger J. Michael Neal said...

It's funny. People like to claim that, by allowing fighting, you allow the players to police each other. Having to face that sort of consequence forces players to respect each other and cuts down on the dirty play.

Except, NCAA hockey, where fighting isn't allowed, very rarely sees this sort of hit. As I keep saying, fighting does not have the effects that its proponents like to claim for it.

Also, if the Leafs really must go for retribution, go after Brian Gionta. The little **** made a career of playing dirty while he was at Boston College.

 
At 3:37 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

Good point Danny, a ref screwing up against United or Chelsea gets much harsher treatment.

Selfish, the main brunt of the hit on Kaberle was Janssen not the ice or the boards.

TSN is reporting that they are having a hearing so there is hope for some real justice (I don't ACTUALLY want the Leafs to try to hurt Janssen or Gionta, although I never knew he was dirty in college). But would it be so difficult to assess these hits after the fact? Again, there is video review in soccer for things that the refs miss. The only change I would make that even hits that receive a penalty (I can't remember which but one hit wasn't reviewed because it received a 2 minute minor) should be up for review.

 
At 4:28 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger J. Michael Neal said...

I don't ACTUALLY want the Leafs to try to hurt Janssen or Gionta, although I never knew he was dirty in college

Wait until I have a chance to express my views of Jason Blake ...

 
At 4:54 PM, March 03, 2007, Anonymous ken said...

Janssen got three games. We'll see how long Kaberle is out. Here's the NHL press release on the matter:

NHL Suspends New Jersey's Janssen For Three Games


NEW YORK (Mar. 3, 2007)-New Jersey Devils forward Cam Janssen has
been suspended three games, without pay, as a result of a late hit on
Toronto Maple Leafs defenseman Tomas Kaberle during the second period of
last night's NHL game #968 in New Jersey.

"Supplemental discipline is appropriate for this incident because of
the lateness of the hit," said Colin Campbell, NHL Senior Executive Vice
President and Director of Hockey Operations.

Under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and based on
his average salary, Janssen will forfeit $7,2220.16. The money goes to the
Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.

Janssen will miss Devil's games Mar.4 at home against Boston, Mar. 6
at Philadelphia and Mar. 8 at Pittsburgh. He'll be eligible to return Mar.
10 at Buffalo.

#####

 
At 5:54 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger Desdemona said...

Drury vs. Kaberle:

Neil turned to hit Drury as he received the puck. Janssen turned to hit Kaberle after he let go of the puck.

Kaberle was caught admiring his pass (no excuse for Janssen's action, just pointing it out). Drury didn't have time to admire his pass.

Neil went in with his shoulder, which I think is part of what made that hit hard to distinguish as "intent to injure". Janssen went in with his elbow. No question there.

Drury's helmet flies off so that when he lands on the ice, he gashed his head wide open. This, I believe, was a large part of the negative reaction. People heard "hit" and "20 stitches" and saw a lot of blood. They think Neil's shoulder is directly responsible for those stitches. Kaberle's helmet stays on. Is it just me, or is there less outrage over this hit which was definitely late than Neils which was questionable?

Hits to the head of any kind are reprehensible, but these two hits were, on so many levels, very different.

The Colin Campbell suspension wheel landed on 3. I didn't have a specific number of my own in mind mainly because I haven't any faith in his "system".

Bottom line, I believe that:

a) head shots, intentional or otherwise, should be called at least as a minor (if they're supposed to be able to control their sticks, they should be able to control their elbows and shoulders
b) perhaps the NHL should have a rule about helmet straps the way they do about the sweater not being tied down properly
c) shoulder/elbow pads should go back to being padding

 
At 6:03 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger DrFrankLives said...

Janssen's lucky. If the hit had broken Kaberle's neck, why, Clownshoes would have thrown the book at him and given him . . . . three games suspension.

Three games. Just like Brooks Orpik.

Orpik should never play another game of hockey, and Cam Janssen shouldn't either.

 
At 7:03 PM, March 03, 2007, Anonymous david said...

There is no possible fair punishment.

This is because Janssen is a 3 minute a game enforcer and Kaberle is the best defenceman the Leafs can field. If Kaberle played the next game (he won't) and Janssen never played again (he will) Kaberle's loss would be more of an impact on his team. The Devils shrug off playing with Janssen for three games while the Leafs must drive for the playoffs without Kaberle.

 
At 7:59 PM, March 03, 2007, Anonymous ken said...

Well said, David.

 
At 8:40 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger Rick said...

Give me a break.

Do you realize how friggin' stupid you guys sound, you Leaf fans, complaining about this.

You are a team with Darcy Fucken Tucker on your team. Gimme a break.

Hypocrites, all of you.

 
At 10:12 PM, March 03, 2007, Blogger Desdemona said...

So Rick, should the hit on Drury be okay because they have Peters on their team? Should every team have a free-for-all against Ottawa because they have Neil? Should another high stick on Koivu be allowed because Maxim Lapierre's on his team?

Ridiculous.

You'll should also notice that most people here are voicing their opinions on head-shots in general, this just happens to be the latest example, and one would hope, the last straw.

But that's only what I hope, in reality, I think it's going to take a death, or paralyzation before the NHL or NHLPA say anything about changing the rule (or non-existing rule) about head shots.

The NHL said "Supplemental discipline is appropriate for this incident because of the lateness of the hit," not because of a hit to the head, but the lateness of the hit.

 
At 12:38 AM, March 04, 2007, Anonymous JTE said...

Well, I dislike the Leafs and HATE Darcy Tucker, and in my opinion that hit was an absolute disgrace. If that isn't a 10+ game suspension, I guess that means you have to cripple someone to get there.

I don't even know how Janssen can show his face in his own locker room with his own teammates ever again.

 
At 12:50 AM, March 04, 2007, Blogger d-lee said...

I agree with Desdemona wholeheartedly. The Neil/Drury hit was more "questionable", but was magnified because, in essence, Drury doesn't wear his helmet properly. I don't wish to blame him at all. The hit was still late and high, but it's likely that he doesn't lie in a pool of blood if he wears his helmet properly.

I've said a million times that the NHL is really making a mistake with respect to the non-existant rules about blows to the head. There have been too many injuries this season alone, and I have a bad feeling that we haven't seen the worst.
It's a damn joke that there's real issues like, I don't know, the health of the players, and the only changes they ever talk about are the size of the nets or the schedule.

 
At 10:27 AM, March 05, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The hit was late, from behind, to the head, by a fourth liner and to one of the other team's better players. There was no elbow, charge, he didn't leave his feet and there was no penalty called on the play.

What's the difference between this hit and the hit on Drury or Naslund that started the Betuzzi incident? It happened to a Leaf and not a Sabre. Domi to Neidermeyer was an elbow to the head!

The NHL is always two steps behind in everything it does. The inconsistency is appalling. Ban the hit to the head and be done with it. Everyone that watches agrees that this should happen except the NHL suits who talk the talk, but love the exposure this brings the league even if it is negative.

How about making refs available after the game? Players and coaches must face the media since they are responsible for "selling" the game. Why no accountability for the officials and the League they represent?

 
At 11:59 AM, March 05, 2007, Blogger Desdemona said...

The hit was late, from behind, to the head, by a fourth liner and to one of the other team's better players. There was no elbow, charge, he didn't leave his feet and there was no penalty called on the play.

Try watching the hit first. Hint: your first mistake is saying that Kaberle was hit from behind.

 
At 1:18 PM, March 05, 2007, Blogger Sig said...

The suspension was dead on... I actually called three games over at Two Minutes for Blogging. The hit was clean (i.e. no elbow), but was late. It was later than Neil's hit. Regardless of if Kabs saw it coming, the hit was illegal and the suspension fit the crime. It's just too bad Colin Campbell couldn't suspend the four Leafs that were on the ice at the time of the hit. If I'm John Ferguson Jr., I'm suspending them.

 
At 1:39 PM, March 05, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

He didn't hit Kaberle across the name on the BACK of his jersey? Look again. That would constitute from behind. Kaberle is turning away another HINT.

 
At 7:10 PM, March 05, 2007, Blogger Desdemona said...

"From behind" indicates that Kaberle didn't have the slightest idea, or the chance to have the slightest idea that Janssen was coming. Janssen didn't deliver a Bertuzzi. THAT was from behind. I'm not saying that this is Kaberle's fault, but he had time to look away from his pass. Then again, why would he expect a hit since Coliacovo had already received it and it was "technically" no longer in his posession, therefore why would he think that he was fair game.

Neil - not from behind (blindsided), not late, no elbow, no charge. Question about his intent with his shoulder
Janssen - not from behind (also blindsided), way late, elbow, no charge, intent.

 
At 7:37 PM, March 05, 2007, Blogger Desdemona said...

Actually, let me put this in simpler terms: it doesn't matter where Janssen hit Kaberle on the sweater, if he came at him from behind, then it was a hit from behind (hence the term). Now watch the video. Where's Janssen coming from? The side, right. Is that from behind? No.

Jeez, if all Sabre fans think like you, it's no wonder Neil's hit was such an outrage. If this is consider from behind, Neil must have flown from the rafters and landed on Drury. (Don't worry other Sabre fans, I've met the sane ones and know that they exist, just making a point with Anonymouse)

 
At 10:08 AM, March 06, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Debate semantics is a weak argument. Blind sided, from behind, whatever. He wasn't "blindsided" because Kaberle turned when he saw him coming. It wasn't from "behind" because even though he hit him over the shoulder he wasn't directly behind him.

What it was is this, it was late and high when a player was prone. The League is responsible becasue they refuse to establish clear guide lines. One week it is the mandatory 3 game suspension, some weeks it nothing. The League doesn't protect its "star" players, but it doesn't protect the fourth liners either. The LEague reacts after a few of these incidences build up and then they try to make an example.

 

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