Sunday, March 18, 2007

Tootoo's ugly KO of Robidas


At 4:13 p.m., March 18, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see how this warrants a suspension. Robidas was coming in with his stick high to hit Tootoo as payback for a clean hit on Modano. How can it be a sucker punch when Robidas is the one initiating by going after Tootoo?

I hate seeing guys get concussions, and I wish Robidas hadn't gottten hurt, but he went at Tootoo to retaliate for the hit on Modano. He was going to hit Tootoo, and it's not like Tootoo had the puck.

If Tootoo gets a suspension because Robidas got hurt, shouldn't Ronald Petrovicky have been suspended for knocking out Chris Newbury? Of course not, because Newbury was a willing participant, just as Robidas was.

At 4:15 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

I was waiting for you to post something about it, James... Saw it happen last night. Tootoo is a thug and a cheapshot artist. During the two Nashville/Detroit games recently it seemed like every time he was on the ice he was playing with intent to injure one of Detroit's star players. He needs to get slapped with a suspension, the league needs to send a message blindsiding and sucker-punching are unacceptable. The guy plays with no honor.

The best part about that was that Robidas got a PENALTY. Give me a friggin' break.

Don Cherry's touched on this stuff recently during Coach's Corner and he's SPOT ON.

At 4:27 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

Notice how Modano had an opportunity to sucker-punch him too but he didn't, because um, he's not a talentless ass... Or maybe it's because he didn't want to get a fistful of Tootoo's face shield. What a tough guy.

At 4:42 p.m., March 18, 2007, Anonymous JTE said...

Simon's slash was no worse than this.

At 5:16 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger J. Michael Neal said...

Of course Robidas got a penalty. Do you have a better definition of interferencethan hitting a guy without the puck? Yeah, Tootoo threw a cheapshot that leveled him, but Robidas had no business coming after him in the first place, and particularly with his elbows up.

What everyone seems to be arguing is that, if you throw a clean check into a star player, someone from the team gets to take a free shot at you, with no penalty called if it's illegal. Interference is interference.

At 5:42 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

Um, I just watched that clip again in case I missed it the first time, but it looks to me like Robidas never got a chance to interfere with Tootoo because Tootoo sucker punched him.

Had it been something more like this
I would have been all for penalties all around, or hell, even a penalty for just Robidas if you want since Tootoo's Modano hit was technically legal.

At 8:13 p.m., March 18, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another ugly incident in a year of ugly incidents. There's nothing to indicate that Tootoo's actions were derived from any admirable Code or passion. When you punch someone in the face, you're trying to hurt them. It's one of the reasons why the NHL is considered kids stuff by some in other leagues. Sad to see. At this rate we're a few years from being the UFC.

At 8:30 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger d-lee said...

This has Kermit Washington vs Rudy T written all over it. Anyone old enough to know what I'm talking about? It's completely disgusting.

Yes Robidas was skating in to lay the lumber on Tootoo, but the 180 degree haymaker is way over the line in terms of "defending oneself".

I can't get how Robidas was penalized for charging on that play. Like Nick said, he never even had that opportunity because he got knocked out.

The officials messed up even worse when they didn't penalize Modano for his slash to Tootoo's back. I almost agree with jte on that one.

Modano should get two games and Tootoo should get at least five.

Kerry Fraser should get a stern talking to.

At 9:23 p.m., March 18, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw parts of the Nashville games. At one point Tootoo ran full speed at one of the Detroit defensemen (Lebda or Markov, I think) and left his feet and went flying at him...but the defenseman saw him coming, passed the puck, and jumped backwards so Tootoo slammed into the boards. I thought he was going to break the plexiglass, he hit the wall so hard.

At 9:32 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

It was Schneider and Tootoo definitely left his feet. How a penalty was not called is beyond me.

At 11:25 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger mike w said...

Horrible cheap shot. 15 games at least.

At 11:40 p.m., March 18, 2007, Blogger Short and Fat said...

Tootoo has got a lot of nerve, making a legal check and putting a stop to an illegal one.

I've frame by framed this, and here is my analysis:

Robidas' plan to nail Tootoo in the back, got derailed when Tootoo managed to get to his feet and turn around. Robidas bravely started his charge with Tootoo still on the ice.

People keep asking why didn't Tootoo drop his gloves? Robidas wasn't sprawled on the ice, he had ample time to drop his first. He chose instead to go for a cheap shot in the back and lost.

I'm glad the injury wasn't more severe, but I disagree with this "code" that requires a player to accept a cheap shot before resorting to fisticuffs.

At 1:52 a.m., March 19, 2007, Blogger Art Vandelay said...

While I question how clean Tootoo's hit on Modano was (and he is a cheapshotting little puke) Robidas wasn't skating in there for a hug. Given half a chance, Robidas would have driven Tootoo face-first into the boards with a cross-check. Except Tootoo got up and, ahem, defended himself first. A pre-emptive drop-shot, if you will. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for Robidas.

At 5:23 a.m., March 19, 2007, Anonymous JTE said...

For the record, I was referring to Simon's slash being no worse than Tootoo's sucker punch.

At 9:31 a.m., March 19, 2007, Blogger PPP said...

For the record, that's ridiculous. Hollweg wasn't about to attack Simon when he slashed him in the face. Art summed it up nicely.

At 11:58 a.m., March 19, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

Tootoo could have defended himself without punching Robidas like he did. Robidas would have had a penalty and Tootoo would most likely have skated away scott free.

My frustration with this is partially because this is coming from Jordin Tootoo. The guy is playing with the intent to injure every time he steps onto the ice. If he keeps it clean I don't have a problem with it, but he inches over that line far too often and one of these days (maybe already) someone is going to get seriously injured.

The league has taken steps to protect him via the instigator rule. If they're not going to let players police themselves they should police the players better.

At 12:33 p.m., March 19, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'He chose instead to go for a cheap shot in the back and lost.'

You don't know what his plans were for retaliation. All you saw was Robidas skating toward Tootoo. For all we know, Robidas was maybe going to give Tootoo a shove, and then wait for him to turn around for a fight. You can't assume that he was just going to crosscheck the guy into the boards from behind.

Considering this scenario, Tootoo's punch would be like giving somebody a prison sentence for speeding and then calling it 'preventative justice'.

At 12:47 p.m., March 19, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian in Macungie says:
I have to preface my remarks by pointing out that I hate Jordin Tootoo's guts.
I'm no Robidas fan, either but a legal check on Modo shouldn't make the Stars want to exact retribution. I've seen JT do a lot worse.
Perhaps the Stars should have Mike should wear a pink tutu to let everyone know not to check him.
Steph forgot the first rule -- protect yourself at all times.
Gloves still on, imminent threat/risk of harm, blow to head = 3 game suspension

At 4:24 p.m., March 19, 2007, Anonymous A different Nick said...

Is the problem the punch or the fact that it was Tootoo doing it? I don't remember a whole lot of people coming to the defense of Ulf Samuelson when Tie Domi sucker punched him. That was a cheaper shot than what Tootoo did.

At 7:27 p.m., March 19, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Attaboy, Tootoo!
His hit on Modano was clean.
Robidas was only coming in there to cheapshot Tootoo and got hammered before he got his chance. Too bad.
Minors should have been called on Robidas and Tootoo. That's it.
If Robidas had the stones to drop the gloves, the outcome would have been the same. Heck, Jarkko Ruutu handed him his ass earlier this year.

At 7:59 p.m., March 19, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tootoo's suspension was ridulous. He should be able to defend himself. What about Modano's suspension...he hit Tootoo with his STICK on the back...

At 8:15 p.m., March 19, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of you educated hockey fans that think this was a cheap shot are either from Dallas or Detroit. If you get suspended for this what about everytime you drop the gloves. I think the NHL buckled under pressure. I would hope after watching the replay, Modano would get a supension for hitting TooToo with his stick.

At 11:58 p.m., March 19, 2007, Blogger Short and Fat said...

I posted the frame by frame here:

It seems to support my original conclusion.

At 10:37 a.m., March 20, 2007, Anonymous raa-alff-f said...

Modano got away with an over-the-head stick swing that made contact with Tootoo's back. Bullshit. Watch it again. It's why Tootoo was mad at Modano after he hit Robidas. Modano eased off after he saw Robidas coming in, or after he realized what he was doing, but that's still worth three games. Total bullshit.
Tootoo saw Robidas coming just before he got up and stepped into his punch before he turned around. Five games is good for that. Tootoo's out to make a difference the only way he can, by removing players from the other team. Robidas, and the rest of the Stars, were probably looking for any opportunity to get at Tootoo, I don't think the hit on Modano was nasty enough by itself.
Modano's stick swing should have been punished.

At 1:45 p.m., March 22, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think he deserved something but, five games is a little much. If you look at the sucker punch brasheer through no more then a week ago he didnt even get 5 games ...whata ya kiddin me ??? The new NHL is not made for tough people 10 years go he woul have thrown this punch got jumped by the whole team and it would have been done with. I miss the games like Flyers and Ottawa in the playoffs where it was gloves dropping at the turn of a dime....thats what gets viewers not fags like crosby good hard working gritty people...


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