Friday, June 08, 2007

A look back at the trade dudline

Let's take all the big names that went at the trade deadline — Bill Guerin, Keith Tkachuk, Alexei Zhitnik, Peter Forsberg, Ryan Smyth, Gary Roberts, Ladislav Nagy, Mattias Norstrom, Todd Bertuzzi and Dainius Zubrus. Only Zubrus and Bertuzzi advanced to a conference final and they were the only ones of this distinguished group to record seven or more points (Bertuzzi had seven; Zubrus eight, but did not score). It's always difficult to question a GM who has the intestinal fortitude to make a big trade, but, in hindsight, it doesn't seem like very much return for the futures that were spent to acquire these big-ticket players.
In other words, the sellers won — hands down.


At 2:39 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger El Brucio said...

It's coincidence more than anything. Last year, it was largely because of trade deadline activity that Carolina and especially Edmonton made the Final.

One could argue that it was choice, not activity, that was the reason some teams didn't win. Maybe Buffalo should've used the assets they gave up for Zubrus for a d-man. Ditto for Detroit with Bertuzzi.

One thing's for sure, though. Don Waddell is an idiot.

At 2:39 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

So because he was one of the point leaders and had some goals, an argument could be made that Bertuzzi was the best trade deadline pick?

That's hilarious... And I hope Detroit doesn't go too far out of their way to sign him next year

At 2:42 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger Nick said...

Also note that the stanley cup winner didn't exactly go out of their way to make trade deadline deals

At 3:38 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger Paul said...

Also note that the stanley cup winner didn't exactly go out of their way to make trade deadline deals.

Yes, but not for a lack of trying. Remember, Burke did acquire Tampa's first-round pick, presumably with the intention of using as another deadline-day asset. He later ranted about the high asking prices for some of the premier talent.

At 3:55 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger Pat said...

I don't think you can really judge deadline acquisitions solely on where a team finished at the end of the season. Gary Roberts made a huge impact on the Pens young core both on and off the ice. I hardly think a team no one expected to make the playoffs last October made a mistake because they didn't make it past the first round after making some late trades.

At 4:16 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger El Brucio said...

Also, the Ryan Smyth trade was all about Snow and the Islanders organization as a whole gaining/re-gaining credibility. It could be helpful to make the Islanders an attractive destination for UFA's in the future.

Waddell was trying the same thing with Tkachuk (although the message was also to their fans), then went overboard with the really dumb Zhitnik and Dupuis acquisitions for two of their 2 top prospects.

At 5:06 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger Kevin said...

It's a fair point about the trades, but the Smyth trade shouldn't be judged on how far he led his team during the playoffs. Let's remember that the Isles were not even in a playoff spot when Smyth was acquired. The goal in bringing him to Long Island was to get the team to the playoffs and hopefully win a first round series. There's a lot of fans around here that are happy the team made the playoffs, and thank Ryan for a lot of that... Whether he contributed enough to it or not, that's debatable.

At 5:50 p.m., June 08, 2007, Blogger Kel said...

It is the wrong criterion to use. A deadline deal should not be judged by how far the team advanced in the playoffs. Instead, it should be judged by whether and how much the teams improved with the acquired players in the lineup compared with the assets given up. (And also whether the teams needed the improvement.) Given how tight the playoffs race was, you can argue that all teams in the race needed improvement. So it comes back to judging the original question: how much did the team improve compared with the cost?

At 9:34 p.m., June 08, 2007, Anonymous Frank said...

John Davidson and Larry Pleau should be named NHL Executives of the year for how they "hosed" Doug Wilson and Don Waddell on the Guerin and Tkachuk trades.

Two 2007 1st round picks, one 2007 3rd round pick, and one 2008 2nd round pick, plus Metropolit who is a decent 3rd/4th line RW and a prospect. Ville Nieminen is useless though.

Pleau will probably resign Guerin and Tkachuk for 2007/8 at a reasonable price and then find a couple more idiotic GMs at next years trade deadline to trade them again.

Davidson and Pleau are doing a very nice job of slowly and patiently rebuilding the Blues, and drafting well (Erik Johnson last year).

In three or four years they could turn into another Anahiem.

At 9:41 a.m., June 10, 2007, Anonymous snafu said...

I think Bertuzzi was the best trade deadline pick up. The Wings gave up one prospect and some tiered stack of potential draft picks IF they actually advanced and Bertuzzi contributed. The trade was heavily weighted to reflect whether or not a contribution was made. Bertuzzi then suffers a concussion in that strange collision with Osgood, and also was playing with a broken/fractured tail bone in the playoffs.

I think the Wings intend to keep him if they can structure the right deal. And whoever suggested that they pick up a defenseman? Come on. Do teams really plan on losing 2 of their best players heading into the playoffs? That's why the winner is often the team that doesn't have a rash of injuries. Let's assume they didn't lose Schneider and Kronwall. What would they do with the deadline pick up then?


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