Tuesday, December 04, 2007

Canadian teams in the draft

As part of a package that ran in Saturday's paper, I put together a few charts on the Canadian teams' performance in the NHL draft the past 20 years. For the sake of further discussion, here's a quick look:

Since 1987

Teams Drfts Total pks Picks per drft Avg. pk pos. 1st-rnd pks 1st-rnd pks per drft Avg. 1st rnd pk Top 10 pks Top 20 pks
Edmonton 21 219 10.4 126.0 27 1.29 14.6 6 22
Montreal 21 224 10.7 128.6 23 1.10 15.3 4 20
Vancouver 21 195 9.3 134.9 21 1.00 13.5 9 15
Calgary 21 219 10.4 127.0 20 0.95 15.6 6 15
Toronto 21 200 9.5 136.6 19 0.90 15.0 6 13
Ottawa* 16 145 9.1 133.3 17 1.06 14.2 7 10
* Senators entered in 1992

This next one, meanwhile, was a look at the teams' successful post-first-round picks in that same time frame, where it seems like the Habs have fared the best:







Dixon Ward (128th), Pavel Bure (113th), Gino Odjick (86th), Mike Peca (40th), Adrian Aucoin (117th), Scott Walker (124th), Dave Scatchard (42nd), Peter Schaefer (66th), Brent Sopel (144th), Matt Cooke (144th), Jarkko Ruutu (68th), Kevin Bieksa (151st), Alex Edler (91st)

Theo Fleury (166th), Robert Reichel (70th), Sandy McCarthy (52nd), Robert Svehla (78th), Jonas Hoglund (222nd), German Titov (252nd), Chris Clark (77th), Nils Ekman (107th), Steve Begin (40th), Toni Lydman (89th), Blair Betts (33rd), Kurtis Foster (40th), Jarret Stoll (46th), Travis Moen (155th), David Moss (220nd)

Geoff Smith (63rd), Shjon Podein (166th), Josef Beranek (78th), Kirk Maltby (65th), David Vyborny (33rd), Miroslav Satan (111th), Georges Laraque (31st), Tom Poti (59th), Fernando Pisani (195th), Jason Chimera (121st), Shawn Horcoff (99th), Mike Comrie (91st), Matt Lombardi (215th), Jarret Stoll (36th), Matt Greene (44th)

Felix Potvin (31st), Yanic Perreault (47th), Fredrik Modin (64th), Sergei Berezin (256th), Danny Markov (223rd), Tomas Kaberle (204th), Alexei Ponikarovsky (87th), Mikael Tellqvist (70th), Kyle Wellwood (134th), Matt Stajan (57th), Ian White (191st)

Pavol Demitra (227th), Daniel Alfredsson (133rd), Andreas Dackell (136th), Magnus Arvedson (119th), Karel Rachunek (229th), Mike Fisher (44th), Chris Neil (161st), Chris Kelly (94th), Antoine Vermette (55th), Greg Zanon (156th), Ray Emery (99th), Christoph Schubert (127th), Brooks Laich (193rd)

John LeClair (33rd), Eric Desjardins (38th), Mathieu Schneider (44th), Patrice Brisebois (30th), Craig Conroy (123rd), Brian Savage (171st), Valeri Bure (33rd), Craig Rivet (68th), Darcy Tucker (151st), Jose Theodore (44th), Tomas Vokoun (226th), Mathieu Garon (44th), Arron Asham (71st), Mike Ribeiro (45th), Andrei Markov (162nd), Michael Ryder (216th), Tomas Plekanec (71st), Mark Streit (262nd), Guillaume Latendresse (45th)

The Leafs get hammered pretty good in the Globe piece, but as a long-time follower of the Canucks, I know the long-form version of the story behind that team's drafting woes (Jason Herter anyone?).

I hope this is all relatively legible; I didn't have the heart to rework all of the data from what I put together earlier so this is a straight cut-and-paste.


At 9:50 a.m., December 04, 2007, Blogger saskhab said...

I'm too lazy to double check, but no team had a 2nd rounder that made it higher than 30th (Brisebois)? Just wanting to make sure that there weren't some 22nd to 29th overall selections in those early years of significance.

Obviously, Ottawa wasn't around for all these years. I guess the one technicality I'd raise is that I guess Quebec and Winnipeg should be listed if we're talking Canadian teams until 1995 and 1996. But that's just being a smartass.

At 12:43 p.m., December 04, 2007, Blogger Gare Joyce said...

I wrote the secondary piece beside the critique of the Toronto scouts' draft record--in my story scouts from other organizations suggested that the Leafs' drafting was not so bad--at least in the range of the league average of success. I still think it's a fair and professional reading of history. Antropov wasn't a bad pick (he looked pretty good outplaying Vincent Lecavalier at the u-20s that year). Antropov was rushed and then injured and only now pulling out of it, which is an organizational/management issue rather than a scouting one. Not the scouts fault that the Leafs traded Boyes and Rask, both pretty good picks for their selection positions. Blaming it all on the scouting dept just doesn't wash ... I don't have any friends in the amateur scouting department, I'm just saying that because I've looked at other teams' lists. What if the Leafs had drafted Jason Bonsignore or Terry Ryan? A whole bunch of new punchlines.

At 8:30 a.m., December 05, 2007, Blogger Ken said...

James, I'm confused. How does Jarret Stoll (46th) get drafted by Calgary, then by Edmonton (Jarret Stoll (36th)). Did he go through the draft twice?

At 10:32 a.m., December 05, 2007, Anonymous Mort said...

I'm not too sure about the years but I think it was 2002 the Oilers drafted Lombardi and the Flames drafted Stoll. Both teams failed to sign players to contracts and both Stoll and Lombardi went back into the draft. Oilers and Flames then essentially swapped picks.


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