Monday, December 03, 2007

Flyers get warning
Bettman threatens timeout in corner

Riley Cote received a three-game suspension today:
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman issued the Flyers a warning, apparently telling them the next suspension will result in hefty fines for the organization. Cote was the fifth Flyers player to be suspended through 25 games, boosting the total suspensions this season to 52 games.

"The question was raised about ramifications if it happens again," GM Paul Holmgren said, refusing to elaborate. "Obviously, we're under watch, I guess."

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At 3:33 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger BlackCapricorn said...

Institutional accountability! What a concept! I am actually interested to see if and how the NHL might pull this off. Elbows up boys!

At 3:51 p.m., December 03, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's comical that Flyers are getting a warning from a guy who cant a)show nhl games on real network and b)doesnt know a thing about hockey

Why should the flyers change their style so he sell what is every left of this sport to the casual fan.

maybe Bettman should go look in mirror and ask the question "why does anyone like the nhl?"

I'm proud to be a Flyers Fan

At 4:00 p.m., December 03, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This kind of punishment would be tough for U.S. Post...

At 4:01 p.m., December 03, 2007, Anonymous said...

When people are pointing at Martin Biron and Daniel Briere for improving this team, they should maybe put in at least a footnote about their marked increase in physical (dirty) play for the improvement as well. Philly is also leading the league in majors and is second in pims.

Hopefully for Bettman other struggling teams don't take notice of this. It may have been forgotten since the lockout, but one of the things that used to help turn around struggling franchises was to bring in a goon squad to make their team scary to play against.

At 4:11 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger Andrew Bucholtz said...

Good to see that the league's finally noticed the trend here... amazing that it takes five dirty hits in 25 games to get the NHL to notice, but this is Bettman we're talking about. Their team's already racked up double the player-games missed through suspension to the games they've played. The Flyers deserve whatever punishment they get IMO: the only question is why it's taken this long. I don't have any problem with teams playing tough, but the issue is when an entire organization seems to be focused around putting opponents out of the game (again, looking at the guys they have in charge, such as Clarke and Holmgren, I can't say it's really that surprising that their players seek to emulate management).

At 4:32 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger HockeyTownTodd said...

The Flyers Org. may have corrected the problem earlier had they been forced to leave each roster spot created by a suspension open. Things will change real fast if the bench just keeps getting shorter and shorter.

At 4:50 p.m., December 03, 2007, Anonymous target said...

Why not start stripping the Flyers of draft picks? This is obviously an organizational culture (lets not forget that Holmgren amassed 1,684 PIMS in 527 regular season NHL games) that isn't about to change until they are forced to change. Suspending a career minor leaguer to three games hardly sends a message.

At 4:56 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger FAUX RUMORS said...

1) Double secret probation!

At 5:01 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger Andy Grabia said...

I still like the idea of a fine that counts against the cap best.

At 5:02 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger FAUX RUMORS said...

1) How does one prove these players were 'instructed' to play this way? If ONE player comes out and says so, we will be on board that the entire organization should be held accountable(suspensions/fines/loss of picks, etc), else individual players should continue to be the ones who bear the punishment
2) BTW, we hate it when dirty hits and stick incidents are lumped together with fighting. We need more of the ladder and less of the former!

At 5:04 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger Adam C said...

I still like the idea of a suspension for the coach. Hey, how did Cote get three games while Hartnell got only two? Was there an extra game tacked on for being a goon? Why can't the NHL be the slightest bit consistent?

Why am I bothering to ask these questions? Two for Hartnell was too little, and sent the entirely wrong message. And it's already two suspensions too late to start taking action against the organization...

At 5:07 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger Adam C said...

Oh, and who the heck needs "proof" that the coach instructs the players in how to play? That's kind of their job. At this point the coach needs to be suspended for *not* telling his players to *not* target people's heads.

At 5:34 p.m., December 03, 2007, Blogger Baroque said...

I agree with Adam C.

At some point the coach has to say "look, guys, attempted decapitations aren't helping this team win games because we keep getting supensions and very soon Mother Theresa herself could slip and fall on the ice and be tossed for elbowing to the head. Being on a permanent penalty kill for most of the game isn't a good idea."

And if they won't listen, the coach could always use a shock collar to reinforce his message if they refuse to actually think.

At 7:23 p.m., December 03, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The NHL might be clueless and/or powerless to deal with the Flyers, but P Bergeron's litigation lawyers won't be, when they sue RJones, the Flyers and the NHL for 15 years of lost superstar salary.
That, in case nobody's connecting the dots, is why the NHL needs Steve Moore to go away. If it gets to court and we learn what everybody already knows about the NHL's primitive violent culture, it'll be a feeding frenzy in the lawsuit-happy U.S.

At 11:04 p.m., December 03, 2007, Anonymous Joeshmoe said...

Bettman needs to get warned that he's gonna be on his way out any time soon...

At 1:32 a.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does suspending coach Stevens punish Flyers?

He is the biggest problem with the team. Flyers might make the playoffs but with their non-strategy it's going to be short run.

At 2:44 a.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous paul said...

This will never happen but why not dock points in the standings from the Flyers?

At 3:10 a.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous ken said...

That's a good question Paul.

I guess it'd become ridiculous if it happened to every team several times a season -- then the standings would be full of asterisks.

But knocking points off a team for the most egregious violations is a good idea. It could cost a team home-ice advantage, or even a spot in the playoffs.

And hockey is such a team game the players would feel pressure from their teammates not to go out and screw up. Imagine if your team was fighting for a playoff spot and you went out and suckered a guy and cost your team three points in the standings. You'd feel like a heel.

(Obviously, the policy would be -- ahem -- pointless, once a team had been eliminated from contention.)

At 7:14 a.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous Baroque said...

I don't follow Nascar, but I think they dock teams points - and a lot of them, sometimes - for violations such a having modifications to the car that count as cheating. They have large fines, too.

I guess some drivers have been knocked down several spots in whatever standings system they use. It isn't entirely without precedent, at least.

At 8:25 a.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous BDH said...

More of the ladder!

Loved it.

At 10:59 a.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

all this talk about taking away points or fining the coach isnt going to solve nothing plus it turns the league into a mickey mouse league.

the problem lines with the instagator rule. the flyers are playing with in the rules because they know they know players on the other team cant get back at them because they are protected by that rule.

everyone is be hypotical here. this is the same crap that happen when lindros was getting blows to head and you didnt hear one peep out from the flyers or the fans because they know how to "suck it up"

It's amazing how you can make the fleyrs suspensions to be the greatest crime against nature, but here are hits that 10x worst than what hee flyers did

0 game suspension:

20 game suspension:

3 game suspension:

25 game suspension:

0 game suspension:

2 game suspension:

0 game suspension:

3 game suspension:

i just want to place everyone on notice flyers arent changing their style of play, so get used to it. if i am the nhl ill be worry if they call up downie for the game against penguins

At 11:19 a.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous paul said...

Anon. is absolutely right: the Flyers aren't changing there style of play. And that's precisely why the league need to punish them as a team.

I've been thinking about my idea of taking away points (as well as Ken's reply) and I guess you'd have to go above a set number of suspensions before this penalty kicks in. One possibilty: if a team gets five suspensions then they get docked two points and then one more point for every further suspension. I'd even be tempted to drop the max down to three suspensions.

Whatever way the league chooses to go, they're Mickey Mouse it they ignore this problem.

At 1:47 p.m., December 04, 2007, Blogger mike said...

Lindros and Primeau's concussions were the result of physical players playing physical hockey. They were two of the most physically dominant players of their era, and they pissed off a lot of people with how they played. Lindros in particular seemed to love punishing smaller players physically, going out of his way to crush them when he got the chance.

The concussion problem with Lindros is also tied in with the negligence of the Flyers' medical staff and Bobby Clarke's lack of Hall of Famer Scott Stevens' hit on Lindros was one of the most evil acts I ever saw on the ice. Stevens leapt at Lindros and deliberately elbowed him on the chin--just one of of at least three unbelievably criminal on-ice acts committed by Stevens, who of course was chased off the Washington Caps roster by accusations of gangrape after a very rare Capital playoff series victory.

Primeau's concussions were also not helped by the lack of concern from Flyers' doctors. Look in the damn mirror, Flyers fans--karma is a bitch. The only reason they suck it up is because they spill the blood first.

At 2:31 p.m., December 04, 2007, Blogger Adam C said...

Somebody please explain to me how Colton Orr would be dissuaded if there were no instigator penalty!

All that flurry of clips showed me was that the Flyers deserved every game they got. Yeah, the Armstrong hit (from last year's playoffs) should have resulted in a suspension and the Volchenkov hit was ugly... but the Flyer hits were much worse than anything but Orr's, and he was suspended.

At 4:00 p.m., December 04, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not relevant how hits were punished in the past. Men used to be able to beat their kids AND their wives. Enlightenment came to the household, why not to pro hockey?

At 2:56 a.m., December 05, 2007, Anonymous brierretoucheslittleboys said...

its about time bettman did something. however, if it was from campbell directly then id be impressed. bettman says a lot of things and doesnt follow through, so i imagine next the flyers will get the hansens and maybe even ogelthorpe. that team is a circus. they suck, they empty the bank on overrated players like brierre, and then they just go out there and try to end peoples' lives. im surprised this didnt happen sooner, like after the second one. but this is the NHL and they do nothing right. hell as long as a team is winning often enough to keep fans in the stands, they can sing a bear and a lion to be their 3rd pair. im all for fighting, and a promoter of it. it keeps this goofball flyers crap outta the game. the broadstreet bullies roughed people up, but the this team is the broadstreet pieces of garbage, just like the city of philadelphia. eventually the team will realize you cant just job people whenever you feel like jobbing. on second thought, maybe this team is just trying to get back at the league for all those hits on that waste of talent (and probably the dumbest player ever to be considered 'good') named lindros. they're just trying to promote the idea of keeping your head up, which lindros never new!


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