Sunday, January 06, 2008

Another Downie cheap shot


This was Steve Downie's fourth NHL game, and it appears he's ready for another suspension:
With his team up 2-0 early in the third period, Downie hit Toronto winger Jason Blake - who was being held by an official - in the face with what many are describing as a sucker-punch.

The hit left a large golf ball-sized welt under Blake's left eye, which didn't sit well with Leafs head coach Paul Maurice.
This garbage shouldn't sit well with anyone.
While Downie received a minor penalty for the punch, the NHL is investigating the incident.
And the wheel spins...

UPDATE Oh boy. The comments are getting a little interesting on this one, after this thread was posted on a couple Flyers fan sites.

I've got no problem if people want to come here and debate this incident or anything related to it, but it'd be nice to see it kept civil and at least borderline intelligent.

I'd rather not shut down the comments, but if that's what it takes...

UPDATE The wheel says no suspension.

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31 Comments:

At 5:55 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger Doc Nagel said...

What I'm waiting to hear is whether this, or the alleged Derian Hatcher bite incident, will lead to the threatened disciplinary action against the Flyers organization. I also can't figure out any motivation the Flyers could have for continuing to employ these tactics other than a deliberate decision to try to win (either games or fans) with thuggery. Do Flyers fans really love this kind of garbage?

 
At 6:07 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger Bruce said...

I was totally incensed when I saw this last night, and a day later I remain so. The game of hockey doesn't need this sort of "black eye".

I have seen quite enough of Steve Downie's act already to put him at the lowest of the low in the NHL: below Sean Avery, below Darcy Tucker, even below Matt Cooke. His sucker-punch-to-the-eye of Toronto's Jason Blake on Saturday is the single ugliest thing I have seen in the NHL since Todd Buttugly mugged and thugged Steve Moore. He took advantage of a bad linesman and vulnerable opponent to measure and deliver a deliberate, vicious and dangerous blow to a man's eye. On high-def it definitely looked like he extended his thumb to deliver as wicked a shot as possible in a simple scrum that he appeared to treat as a street brawl. Certainly the immediate swelling incurred by Blake suggests he was struck by something much more pointed than a fist.

This was Downie's fourth NHL game after returning from a 20-game suspension he incurred in the preseason. Judging by the obnoxious smirk he wore on the way to the penalty box with "only" an extra minor (which started an unfortunately unsuccessful Toronto comeback), as far as Downie was concerned he got away with one and "won" the fight. The fact that he used a tactic you might see in a playground fight between Grade Two girls didn't seem to embarrass him at all. But he embarrassed himself, he embarrassed his team (yet again), and he embarrassed the NHL. Hell, as far as I'm concerned he embarrassed the human race. That was simply disgraceful.

For a second serious infraction so soon after the first, the NHL had better have the cojones to deal with this guy immediately and extremely harshly. (If the league doesn't, the players will.) I think a suspension for the rest of the season would be entirely appropopriate, with an admonition that he use the time off to learn how to play @#$% hockey. There is absolutely no room in the game for that sort of garbage, and right now there should be no room in the game for Steve Downie.

This is also another serious transgression for the Philadelphia Flyers, who should pay heavily for unleashing (unchaining?) Downie on the hockey world without any apparent restrictions. They were already on warning, so I say throw the book at the Flyers as well as Downie.

[Disclaimer: I am NOT a Leafs fan, quite the opposite, and I'm no fan of Jason Blake. But nobody should have to put up with that shit.]

 
At 6:24 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger Jeremy said...

Well, I didn't see the lead-up to the incident, but in that clip it looks like they had been fighting (gloves off, helmets off) -- isn't it true that in most fights the two guys are trying to bash each other's faces in? And that they'll continue to do so until they can't (because they officials have properly separated them or they're too tired/injured to continue)?

 
At 7:28 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger Bruce said...

Jeremy: There's a huge difference between a punch during a fight and a swinging thumb in the eye after a fight has been broken up. That's reform school stuff, which is where this punk belongs.

 
At 7:31 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger d-lee said...

Honestly, this isn't a whole lot different from the Sean Avery incident last week when he broke Andrew Ladd's orbital bone with an almost identical sucker punch. Avery wasn't suspended. The league didn't even look at it.
They HAVE to look at this. I wouldn't say it's one of the worst things I've ever seen. Not even close to it. The only reason the league will look at this, and the only reason they'll hand out the rubber stamp three game suspension is that it's the Flyers, and they've been warned about reckless play.

It's a damn joke that there's this double standard. The Avery incident wasn't even reviewed because Avery hasn't been to the principal's office lately. That's the only reason.
If Avery had been wearing a Flyers sweater that night, or if Andrew Ladd had been Jonathan Toews or Sidney Crosby, they'd have thrown the book at him.

As it is now, suspensions have more to do with the players (or teams) involved and less to do with the actual infraction. Why is this?

 
At 7:41 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger Art Vandelay said...

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Downie,
How did you manage to so successfully raise the biggest chicken-sh!t douchebag ever to play in the NHL?
Sincerely,
Amazed in Des Moines.

 
At 7:57 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger Pokecheck said...

Suspending a Flyer sells tickets just like not suspending Avery sells tickets.

I'm disgusted.

 
At 7:57 PM, January 06, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Bruce, it's obvious you aren't a Leaf fan, but thanks for qualifying that.

Tucker doesn't belong on your personal shit list. Show me the footage of any incident he's done to warrant inclusion. Oh, what's that - you can't find any? That's what I thought, you stupid jackass. Tucker plays his heart out and he's nothing like that punk Downie.

To the punch: I blame the idiot linesman who was pinning Blake, rendering him completely helpless and unable to protect himself. Thanks a pantload, moron. A man could have lost his eye because you were holding the smallest guy on the ice down like a schoolyard bully so Downie could job him.

That guy deserves to lose his job. Kick him out of the league. Downie: 50 game suspension. There's no room in the league for this clown.

 
At 8:20 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger godot10 said...

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At 8:35 PM, January 06, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

seriously, did any posters or either jameds even watch the game?

blake the whole night kept taking runs after runs at flyers goalie. its amazing what technology can do.

before downie fought cancer, blake hit downie up high with the stick. downie was only defending himself.

is that in the clip? No.

Steve Downie down the road will learn for his actions. but this whole blow up goes to the point how people in canada want f*ck up hockey and turn it into an all star game.

 
At 8:39 PM, January 06, 2008, Anonymous ceezar said...

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You were my earth
But you didn't know all the ways I loved you, no
So you took a chance
And made other plans
But I bet you didn't think that they would come crashing down, no

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I already know, I found out from him
Now there's just no chance, for you and me, there'll never be
And don't it make you sad about it

You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
Girl I refuse, you must have me confused
With some other guy
Your bridges were burned, and now it's your turn
To cry, cry me a river
Cry me a river-er
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I know that they say
That somethings are better left unsaid
It wasn't like you only talked to him and you know it
(Don't act like you don't know it)
All of these things people told me
Keep messing with my head
(Messing with my head)
You should've picked honesty
Then you may not have blown it
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You don't have to say, what you did,
(Don't have to say, what you did)
I already know, I found out from him
(I already know, uh)
Now there's just no chance, for you and me, there'll never be
(No chance, you and me)
And don't it make you sad about it

You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
(All alone)
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
(When you call me on the phone)
Girl I refuse, you must have me confused
With some other guy
(I'm not like them baby)
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(It's your turn)
To cry, cry me a river
(Go on and just)
Cry me a river-er
(Go on and just)
Cry me a river
(Baby go on and just)
Cry me a river-er, yea yea

Oh
(Oh)
The damage is done
So I guess I be leaving
Oh
(Oh)
The damage is done
So I guess I be leaving
Oh
(Oh)
The damage is done
So I guess I be leaving
Oh
(Oh)
The damage is done
So I guess I be... leaving

You don't have to say, what you did,
(Don't have to say, what you did)
I already know, I found out from him
(I already know, uh)
Now there's just no chance, for you and me, there'll never be
(No chance, you and me)
And don't it make you sad about it

Cry me a river
(Go on and just)
Cry me a river-er
(Baby go on and just)
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(You can go on and just)
Cry me a river-er, yea yea

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(Cry me, cry me)

 
At 8:41 PM, January 06, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Art Vandelay - Mr. Downie is deceased, he was killed in a car accident when Steve was 8. Steve suffered major hearing loss in the same accident...

grow up every body, you guys are acting like he killed someone.

 
At 8:43 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger Bruce said...

That's what I thought, you stupid jackass.

Hey anonymous (nice handle), so I'm a stupid jackass ...

That guy deserves to lose his job. Kick him out of the league. Downie: 50 game suspension. There's no room in the league for this clown.

... and you agree with me. Say no more.

 
At 8:48 PM, January 06, 2008, Anonymous ceezar said...

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At 9:51 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger J. Michael Neal said...

Downie needs to be suspended. That is very clear. In response to some of the above comments, I did not see the Sean Avery incident, but I see nothing wrong with just suspending Avery on general principles.

The most idiotic comment in that clip, though, comes from Don Cherry. ". . . of all guys, Blake. Of all guys . . . I mean, this guy wouldn't hurt anybody."

Brett Abrahamson would beg to differ. I've mentioned this incident before, but I'll give a full description. It comes from Blake's days at the University of North Dakota. Abrahamson, a University of Minnesota defenseman, was playing the puck along the boards, with his back to Blake. Jason Blake delivered a two-handed, overhand slash that broke Abrahamson's hand. He used a full windup, with the blade of his stick starting behind him, at the level of his butt, and swung it like an axe. It was no minor penalty, and clearly had the intent to injure.

I definitely have no problem believing the above poster who described Blake taking cheap shots earlier in the game. That's the way he played in college. He was one of the dirtiest players I've ever seen at the NCAA level, and would have fit right in on Frank Anzalone's teams at Lake Superior State.

Suspend Downie, but don't pretend that Jason Blake is some sort of innocent.

 
At 10:03 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger McLea said...

Bruce

On high-def it definitely looked like he extended his thumb to deliver as wicked a shot as possible in a simple scrum that he appeared to treat as a street brawl.

Extended his thumb? What on earth are you talking about?

Hell, as far as I'm concerned he embarrassed the human race.

Wow.

Mr Neal
Suspend Downie, but don't pretend that Jason Blake is some sort of innocent.

So Blake had it coming because he two handed somebody 15 years ago?


Congrats Mirtle, you're commenters are officially insane.

 
At 10:04 PM, January 06, 2008, Anonymous desdemona said...

I definitely have no problem believing the above poster who described Blake taking cheap shots earlier in the game.

Mr. Anonymous is getting Blake mixed up with Kubina - for which he was penalized. "All night long" translates to twice and in response to bumps on Raycroft. That's exactly what they were, btw - bumps - not runs.

Last nights game was frustrating to watch as it appeared to be one long Philly penalty. Some were called, some weren't. I don't know what was under their bonnet, but they wanted to fight right from the first shift. Hatcher flew into Steen and landed on his own teammate for pete's sake. He still could have gotten a penalty for that as he was literally flying in the air and only skimmed Steen's head before landing on Lupul and giving him a concussion.

Mr. Anonymous, as for your comment on Canadians gone All-Star, that makes absolutely no sense. Downie is Canadian himself, and this isn't an issue of nationality, it's Downie being a coward.

 
At 10:22 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger J. Michael Neal said...

So Blake had it coming because he two handed somebody 15 years ago?

Nice. When did I ever say Blake deserved it? That's right: never. What I did say is that, in my experience watching him, Jason Blake was a dirty player, and so Don Cherry's comment was just wrong. It was not just one incident; the slash on Abrahamson was just the one that stands out in my mind most graphically.

 
At 10:39 PM, January 06, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave Downey alone.
People have been screaming that the NHL needs a player that Americans can relate to.
He's perfect. He's has no father, he is a two bit ghetto thug with tons of swagger looking to earn his street cred.
Fuck Crosby, market Downey to the urban thugs.
They'd eat his shit up.

 
At 11:08 PM, January 06, 2008, Blogger rickibear said...

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At 12:07 AM, January 07, 2008, Blogger rickibear said...

Mr. Mirtle: I take offence that my questioning the medication of Blake is not a valid Question. Damage to an eye will swell up worse than other areas of the body but Blakes swelling was unnatural and should be taken into consideration when talking about the severity of Downies actions.

 
At 12:15 AM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 12:21 AM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you are going to blame someone, blame the linesman for not getting control of downie.

anyways, this outrage just proves how much the people in canada and the canadian media want to pussifed hockey.

atleast downie fights cancer

 
At 12:24 AM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

its amazing how people are defending the same guy who was spearing people left and right last season

 
At 12:31 AM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Gerald said...

One thing is for certain:

Discussing hockey violence brings out the absolute worst of hockey fans.

I find it impossible to find an adult discussion on the topic.

 
At 1:29 AM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Menzies said...

D-lee, I think it's fair to say there is fast becoming a seperation in the category of hockey 'goons': Antagonizers like avery, and thugs like downie. That's the difference. avery, in the clip I saw, was taking swings, calculated swings, and not injuring, just antagonizing. I don't want to give him too much credit, but he's an antogonizer. A pain in the ass, like a crack in the pavement, forcing players to watch their footing. He's a jarko. He's a jerk. downie is a punk. That's all there is to be said. He's a fabric softner in a league of liquid detergents. He's not trying to get under the skin of other players, he's just out to make a name for himself. He's good at not giving a fuck. At that, and at his age, sadly, he exceeds like none other.

J. Michael Neal: I think your argument would have been a lot better if you had stuck with the fact that no player should be treated differently than any other, that Cherry should have stuck with the fact that, whether it was a maple leaf or not, blake or not blake, respect the ref. Ref is on you? It's over. Respect the ref.

Ceezar: Here's another song for your boy:

Don't cry for me Argentina
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my promise
Don't keep your distance

Unreal how fitting that is.

There's no purpose to this fan participation, this ridiculous argument, in hockey. It solves nothing. If charmin (cha cha cha) was on the penguins, the flyers fans would be mental right now. "Keep this punk out of the league" "he's a bum." blah blah la la dee dah. Just a waste of time.

Hockey is getting silly (again) and the only real truth is that something is wrong and the powers that be (most likely) see it as a hot topic, perhaps a money maker, and as such are (definitly) not doing anything about it (yet). Some hockey fans want blood. Some want goals. Some want defense. The league clearly does not listen to the fans, so whats the use in arguing about it? Send them letters, don't watch flyers games, shit. I don't know. I just think it's sad that the post of this thing is "another...cheap shot." Fact that it's some guys first year trivializes the fact were not even at the all-star game yet. Oh, wait... trivial and all star game in the same sentance? Whoops.

I personally think we should talk about what the instigator penalty has to do with all this. Just kidding.

 
At 1:49 AM, January 07, 2008, Blogger J. Michael Neal said...

J. Michael Neal: I think your argument would have been a lot better if you had stuck with the fact that no player should be treated differently than any other, that Cherry should have stuck with the fact that, whether it was a maple leaf or not, blake or not blake, respect the ref. Ref is on you? It's over. Respect the ref.

If that's what he'd said, I wouldn't have commented, but it wasn't. He decided that he needed to whitewash a guy that's the cause of plenty of his own trouble. There's a reason Jason Blake keeps ending up in the middle of these situations, as he did with Sean Avery a couple of weeks ago.

 
At 9:22 AM, January 07, 2008, Blogger FAUX RUMORS said...

1) BOTH Downie AND the linesman should be suspended for that play!

 
At 11:04 AM, January 07, 2008, Blogger C. said...

I have heard the scuffle referred to as "a fight".

Umm... Downie's gloves may have been off. Blake's were still on. This is even more obvious in other pictures from that incident, where you can clearly see Downie's fist heading for Blake's face, while BLake's being restrained.

That wasn't a fight. That was a scuffle and Downie's punch was a cheap shot.

Admittedly, I am a Leafs fan, but if the person on the receiving end of that punch had been Jordin Tootoo (whom I also think is a dirty punk) or Sean Avery (ditto), I would still have said Downie was out of line. (although in Avery's case, I would have wondered what he said to Downie to get him to do that)

I mean, it's obvious they are trying to be separated by the linesmen...

But Downie's actions, IMO, show intent.

C.

 
At 5:40 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Raskolnikov said...

Ask Akim Aliu about Steve Downie.

 
At 11:56 AM, January 08, 2008, Blogger Chemmy said...

I can't believe neither Downie nor Hatcher were suspended.

If I had told you "A player sucker punched another player who was being held by officials with his gloves on" and "Another player on that team bit a guy" and then asked you what team they played for, you'd all answer "Probably Philadelphia".

I was in Philly for the Leafs game right after Christmas and their fans are as boorish and crude in person as they are on the internet. The night before in Long Island we sat next to knowledgable and friendly Islanders fans who cheered for their team and against ours passionately but politely. In Philly people just threaten to beat you up for being from out of town.

 

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