Monday, January 07, 2008

Holmgren critical of Downie punch

On Steve Downie, who didn't receive a suspension today:
"He's part of a team now and needs to think in those terms and not selfishly. I'm upset. It was Jason Blake. Jason is not a fighter. You get a player in that position and I don't [think] Jason had his gloves off. I'm not happy about either. The fact that Steve put his team down is a different issue. That's a selfish thing. He'll get better."
The only ones left defending his actions are Flyers fans.

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62 Comments:

At 1:19 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Danny said...

All Flyers fans aren't defending him James. I am a Flyer fan and when I saw it I felt like punching Downie i hte mouth.

 
At 1:20 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous PPP said...

Meanwhile, the NHL's reaction is "sucker punch? we saw nothing wrong with that punch."

I would guess by Downie's shit-eating grin after the incident that he enjoyed it and sees nothing wrong with it. Good to see that the 20 game suspension taught him a lesson. I look forward to the day when he break Chris Simon's suspension record.

 
At 1:33 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous feelingkettlle said...

I'm another Flyers fan who didn't defend the hit, but I did say it wasn't a suspendible act. Homer is right, it was selfish. The Leafs got a goal off of that PP, and once again everyone is piling on the Flyers. The last thing the Flyers need right now is bad publicity...and with the Devils' coach accusing Hatcher of biting Zajac, something which never happened...

 
At 1:37 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Bruce said...

No suspension? What a joke.

Sucker punches (e.g. Avery's) should always be subject to disciplinary action. In Downie's case, I still think he thumbed Blake, which if true is particularly gutless. Either way he should still be on probation from that previous suspension and the NHL should be practicing its "zero tolerance" speeches.

Downie came from junior with a track record, including celebrated incidents with Akim Aliu and Jack Johnson. He will surely be involved in many more incidents in his career, and given his no-apparent-limits style of agitating will no doubt be on the receiving end of some of them (think: Moore, Hollweg, Ruutu). If the league doesn't deal with him, the players will.

 
At 1:40 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blake should have kept his mouth shut last fall when he joined the brigade of you softies clamoring to end Downie's career before it even started, or better yet he should have backed his words up by dropping the gloves. He got what's coming to him.

- Sincerely, Sutterbrother.

 
At 1:43 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous PPP said...

Do you pick up a lot of scabs dragging your knuckles like that anonymous?

The other intepretation is that Blake was right in saying that Downie should have had his nascent career ended since he had a track record in junior and has done nothing to show that he's not just another goon.

 
At 1:45 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW, you hypocrites have screamed for, and gotten, suspensions to numerous Flyers simply by crying to TSN. All of them except Boulerice did exactly what Kubina did to Coburn on Saturday night. Any word of that from you clowns after this game? Nope, just a bunch of crying about a guy getting a punch in in a scrum because Blake wouldn't drop 'em. You really should be embarrassed about all this nonsense, but you have no shame.

Signed, Sutterbrother

 
At 1:48 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The other intepretation is that Blake was right in saying that Downie should have had his nascent career ended since he had a track record in junior and has done nothing to show that he's not just another goon."

Just as soon as he's done playing for Canada in the World Juniors though, right? Until that was done he was just another good All-Canadian Boy. The hypocrisy is simply staggering.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 1:53 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 2:01 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous PPP said...

Kubina's hit was dirty. No one has said otherwise but this isn't the Old Testament. It's not an eye for an eye in the NHL.

All of them except Boulerice did exactly what Kubina did to Coburn on Saturday night. Any word of that from you clowns after this game? Nope, just a bunch of crying about a guy getting a punch in in a scrum because Blake wouldn't drop 'em. You really should be embarrassed about all this nonsense, but you have no shame.

That's laughable. And Downie being on Team Canada was an embarrassment as well and after his attack on his teammate he should never have been picked but Hockey Canada also thought that Todd Bertuzzi was deserving of representing Canada. I am sure you're of the opinion that Moore should have dropped the gloves with Bert and everyone's a softie for 'crying' about that hit.

 
At 2:05 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Adam C said...

PPP: given that neither Moore nor Bertuzzi were ever Flyers, I somehow doubt sutterbrother is even aware of that particular incident...

 
At 2:05 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous bmp1 said...

It takes two to fight, you get into a scrum you take your chances. Blake should have ducked.

 
At 2:07 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I takes two or more for a scrum to start. Blake isn't an innocent. Next time maybe he'll duck.

 
At 2:12 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Kubina's hit was dirty. No one has said otherwise but this isn't the Old Testament. It's not an eye for an eye in the NHL."

Kubina's hit was not cried about to the Canadian media. No one's said otherwise? Noone's said ANYTHING, because the guy's not wearing the orange and black and doesn't fit the league's anti-Flyer agenda. It wasn't even penalized, despite the fact that it was every bit as dangerous as anything the Flyers have been suspended for this season. What is going on here is a nonsensical witchhunt every time a Flyer is even near a crybaby. (Waaah, I facewashed Hatcher, stuck my hand in his mouth and my finger got cut - he must have bit me! Poor me!!, followed by instant league review)

"Downie being on Team Canada was an embarrassment as well and after his attack on his teammate he should never have been picked but Hockey Canada also thought that Todd Bertuzzi was deserving of representing Canada. I am sure you're of the opinion that Moore should have dropped the gloves with Bert and everyone's a softie for 'crying' about that hit."

I'm an American, so who you pick for your national team is on you, not me. Where was the crying from TSN when they were picked? There wasn't any, and that's why it's hypocrisy. My opinion on Moore is that he already had dropped the gloves with someone ELSE before Bertuzzi.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 2:14 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The level of hypocrisy than both the NHL media & leafs fans have shown on the downie hit is simply deplorable. You'd be lauding Blake right now if he hadn't gotten the swing off on downie, yet cry like mortally wounded infants because it didn't go your way. Well done, way to further denigrate this sport.

Vanya

 
At 2:16 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous bmp1 said...

Wrong old Sutterbrother breath, Cote's suspension was for making contact in a 4-1 game with 4 minutes to go. Based on his reputation he was given a match penalty and the vacation. My opinion is that they were upset he finished a check, late in a game that was for all purposes over. He got him from the front, elbow down, feet on the ice.

 
At 2:16 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger James Mirtle said...

Why on earth would the league have an anti-Flyer agenda? It's one of the most important American markets there is.

And I don't think TSN's coverage of Downie at the world juniors reflects common Canadian sentiment. I saw plenty of negative articles on his selection, both before and after Canada won.

(Not that that has any bearing on whether or not this punch on Blake was a suspension-worthy offence.)

 
At 2:22 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why on earth would the league have an anti-Flyer agenda? It's one of the most important American markets there is."

The league knows Flyer fans are going to continue showing up no matter how much this sport is dragged into no-checking, no-honor, shield-on, sticks-up territory. The league thinks it can attract the family crowd by neutering it, all for the precious children. We can show you a mountain of Youtube clips from this season alone, of hits far worse than anything Randy Jones or Scott Hartnell have been suspended for, which DIDN'T EVEN GET PENALIZED, nevermind get an instant league review.

 
At 2:23 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve Downie is and always has been a gutless little puke and althought I'm not a big fan of fighting in hockey, I hope that before the season is over, he will be the receipient of some good old fashioned frontier justuce.

Somebody is going to knock this punk into the next area code and 700 players will be cheering for the guy who does it.

 
At 2:24 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW, it's the cow-towing comments such as that you posted from Paul Holmgren that help bring this on as much as anything. The more they don't stand up for their players, the worse it gets, because lazy journalists up north jump on every ridiculous "incident" to justify their NEXT witchhunt.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 2:26 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Somebody is going to knock this punk into the next area code and 700 players will be cheering for the guy who does it."

The difference is, Steve Downie will have his gloves off and be ready to fight whoever it is like a man, while that guy is running to the bench and hiding behind the instigator rule.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 2:28 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger James Mirtle said...

I'd be posting a blatant sucker punch like Downie's regardless of what team he played for, but his reputation is certainly going to get him noticed up here every time something like this happens.

The game was at the Air Canada Centre and on Hockey Night in Canada — of course it's going to get a lot of media attention.

 
At 2:33 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The game was at the Air Canada Centre and on Hockey Night in Canada — of course it's going to get a lot of media attention."

As was Kubina's boarding from behind, which is FAR more dangerous than a punch to the face. The Canadian media is going out of its way to play the hypocrite, and the average Canadian fan is going right along with it.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 2:33 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Ih8luvscock said...

Big deal. He threw a punch at the end of a scrum. happens all the time.

 
At 2:39 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger James Mirtle said...

That's funny, I've seen plenty of media reports that include the Kubina hit. Here's one in The Hockey News. It should have been a five-minute major.

Hits from behind unfortunately occur routinely in hockey, and as many have said, he should have been penalized there. What I don't think I've ever seen was a player cold-cock someone who was immobilized by a linesman.

 
At 2:41 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Bruce said...

The difference is, Steve Downie will have his gloves off and be ready to fight whoever it is like a man

You mean fight like a man the way he did Saturday night? If Downie fought like a man and not a reform school punk I'd have no problem with him. It's hitting a man who is being held back with a "pointed fist" that I have a problem with. There (should be) no room in the game for it.

 
At 2:42 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous OnTheGlass said...

Is this the same Jason Blake who drew a great deal of dirty play criticism himself last season for his stick jab to the groin of the almighty Sidney Crosby?

 
At 2:47 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That's funny, I've seen plenty of media reports that include the Kubina hit. Here's one in The Hockey News. It should have been a five-minute major."

I've barely seen any, with all due respect. Don Cherry spent his entire postgame rant talking about Downie, and neither he nor his sidekick so much as mentioned Kubina.

"Hits from behind unfortunately occur routinely in hockey, and as many have said, he should have been penalized there. What I don't think I've ever seen was a player cold-cock someone who was immobilized by a linesman."

I've seen far worse. Holmgren has popped A REF HIMSELF in a scrum.

The longer we go with the instigator rule, and guys hiding behind it and refusing to drop their gloves after their spears and crosschecks, the more these "outrages" are going to happen.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 2:49 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Gerald said...

Is this the same Jason Blake who drew a great deal of dirty play criticism himself last season for his stick jab to the groin of the almighty Sidney Crosby?

Irrelevant.

 
At 2:51 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger James Mirtle said...

Don Cherry's your arbiter of what constitutes good media coverage?

Look, Downie has a reputation in Canada, one that precedes anything that has to do with the Flyers. Any time he crosses the line at all, he's going to be in the press here.

End of story.

 
At 2:52 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You mean fight like a man the way he did Saturday night? If Downie fought like a man and not a reform school punk I'd have no problem with him. It's hitting a man who is being held back with a "pointed fist" that I have a problem with. There (should be) no room in the game for it."

If Blake would man up and drop 'em, or if the refs would lay off the Kevin Collins wrestling moves every time there was a hint of anger, then maybe it wouldn't happen.

My God, am I the only one on the planet that realizes that stuff like this has happened in scrums about a billion times before? Back in the day a guy like Blake would be mad at the ref not tying up both of Downie's arms, and would expect the other ref to let him go once the punches started flying.

Let's also point out that in all the "outrage" not a single Maple Leaf did ANYTHING about it.

 
At 2:53 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 2:57 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Don Cherry's your arbiter of what constitutes good media coverage?"

I just pointed out Don Cherry's postgame rant as an example of BAD media coverage.

"Look, Downie has a reputation in Canada, one that precedes anything that has to do with the Flyers. Any time he crosses the line at all, he's going to be in the press here.

End of story."

You and I both know that what's going on here is a moving of the line, not Downie crossing it. Just like the complete lack of review of Kubina's hit is a convenient moving of the checking-from-behind line that proves a guy like Randy Jones of the evil knuckle-dragging Flyers is playing under a different rule book. As long as there are people like me to point out the hypocrisy going on in this league, it is most definitely NOT the end of the story.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 2:58 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gotta go. Carry on.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 3:15 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous bmp1 said...

Gutless is not signing your post and being just one in the crowd.
Downie is no angle, but neither is he gutless. He's willing to face the music. He plays hard but doesn't run and hide behind the officials when called out on his play.
There was a time in the NHL when you were held accountable by the OTHER PLAYERS. Then the league went vaginal and implemented the "instigator" rule(s) to pacify you couch potatoes. Sorry if that offends you.
Now the league is full of trash talking, dickless pissants.

 
At 3:17 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One last shot - now it's that well-known dirty player, Jim Dowd, with the evil deeds:

http://torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2008/01/07/4756369-sun.html

It will never end until someone stands up to this childishness.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 3:39 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger PPP said...

SB - You make your reputation and then you have to live with it. When Stevens decided to let his players run around and try to end careers then he agreed to allow people to wonder if accidents are malicious and to jump on every negative act by the Flyers.

 
At 3:49 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger PPP said...

You and I both know that what's going on here is a moving of the line, not Downie crossing it. Just like the complete lack of review of Kubina's hit is a convenient moving of the checking-from-behind line that proves a guy like Randy Jones of the evil knuckle-dragging Flyers is playing under a different rule book. As long as there are people like me to point out the hypocrisy going on in this league, it is most definitely NOT the end of the story.

Well, it's also pretty well documented that one of the major flaws in the NHL's disciplinary process is that much of it depends on the outcome and not the intent.

Although I am not sure why you would defend Jones' hit that has left Bergeron unable to walk more than 200 feet. I guess that was Bergeron's fault for facing the boards. Or maybe Downie's hit on McAmmond was the latter's fault for getting in the way of Steve's jump?

 
At 4:29 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"SB - You make your reputation and then you have to live with it. When Stevens decided to let his players run around and try to end careers then he agreed to allow people to wonder if accidents are malicious and to jump on every negative act by the Flyers."

First, there is a well-documented string of checks from last season by Colby Armstrong, IDENTICAL to Downie's check on McAmmond. Not only were they not deemed suspension-worthy, but in most cases they didn't get so much as a 2-minute penalty. But the precious Penguins don't fit the league's agenda, because God forbid we say someone on Sindy Crosby's team do anything wrong.

Next, "the line" has been conveniently moved for the Flyers now so that Cote gets a suspension for checking a guy that didn't even fall down after the hit, nevermind get injured.

All these end up being examples of a coach that "let's his players try to end careers"? You've got to be kidding me. What can we then say of the now-evil Paul Maurice, that he "sent Kubina out there to end Coburn's career"? The whole premise is an assinine one that is brushed off when it's a non-Flyer coach.

It makes me laugh that the league bends over backward to make plays happen faster, faster, faster, with less and less time for decision-making on hits, and then acts holier-than-thou about the hits that INEVITABLY happen from such a circumstance.

Meanwhile, announcers that used to laud toughness, and say that calls deciding games late in the 3rd and overtime shouldn't be called, because "that's the way it should be", that said they should "let 'em play" now sing the praises of no-touch hockey. Announcers and journalists that rightly used to praise Kerry Fraser as the best referee in the game because of the things he DIDN'T call, now praise the opposite, and embarrassingly are stone-cold silent when Fraser is kept completely out of playoff games.

This league is now infested with people that want to protect our precious children from seeing the big meanies on ice. They can't get out of each others' way stampeeding to TSN's offices to decry the latest version of Attila The Hun On Skates. (pick your favorite Flyer to fill the role on whatever day you pick)

You are correct that reputations are being made. The reputation of the Canadian media and average hockey fan is....Soft hypocrite.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 4:36 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Jaredoflondon said...

I don't see how having your arms pinned by a linesman and looking the other way consists of being involved in a scrum. Downie sucker punched Blake plane and simple, a cheap shot no doubt. Bringing Kubina's suspect hit into the conversation doesn't change it.
Downie is a punk.

 
At 4:38 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Doogie said...

What I don't think I've ever seen was a player cold-cock someone who was immobilized by a linesman.

I've seen it a bunch. In old brawl videos from the 80s.
**Oilers @ Flames, Game 1 or 2, 1983, Dave Semenko punches...Tim Hunter? Not sure. Anyway, punches the guy after the fight's over and he's being restrained. Jim Peplinski jumps in, line brawl ensues. Semenko, Peplinski, and I think Dave Jackson were all tossed.
**Nordiques @ Canadiens, Game 6, 1984. Louis Sleigher pops Jean Hamel at the end of their fight in the midst of a bench-clearing brawl. Hamel's out cold, Mark Hunter of the Habs seeks revenge at the start of the third, and the whole mess starts again. One of the last games ever refereed by Bruce Hood, who failed to control the situation between periods.

 
At 4:43 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Bringing Kubina's suspect hit into the conversation doesn't change it.
Downie is a punk."

The conversation is about suspensions. Kubina's hit is a textbook example of what Flyers have been suspended for throughout this season, and in fact, worse.

Kubina must be a punk.

If you haven't seen players punch after the linesmen jump in, then you just haven't been watching hockey very long, but that's certainly no reason to wussify the sport even further with ridiculous suspensions for fighting in scrums. There are people like Mark Messier that would, and do, laugh at this sort of thinking.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 4:46 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems Colon has two wheels of justice. One says Chris Simon and suspensions start at 20 and another that says "other" and has has only 0, 2 and 4 on it. Every once in a while he decides to spin the Simon wheel against the Flyers.

 
At 4:52 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sutterbrother is neither a Sutter nor a brother but I'm sure is the tough guy that runs people into the glass from behind and plays with an "edge". Or he has never laced up the skates and has a lot of false bravado on what is soft. You know the type that never enter the corner first, but yap before every faceoff.

 
At 4:58 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Sutterbrother is neither a Sutter nor a brother but I'm sure is the tough guy that runs people into the glass from behind and plays with an "edge". Or he has never laced up the skates and has a lot of false bravado on what is soft. You know the type that never enter the corner first, but yap before every faceoff."

That's great Doctor Phil - You've got me pegged, at either one extreme end of the scale or the other. I'm plenty old enough to know I don't need to prove anything to you. Nice attempt at changing the subject though.

 
At 5:09 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous baroque said...

A possible reason for the difference between last season and this season is the emphasis on head shots. Didn't the league talk shortly before the season started about how they were planning to crack down on hits to the head, and that is part of the reason why the initial suspensions were so high - the offices were trying to send a message that the penalties were going to be more severe than they were last year.

The league could hardly have assumed that the Flyers would start running everything in sight, and thus suffer more suspensions than any other team.

 
At 5:18 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A possible reason for the difference between last season and this season is the emphasis on head shots. Didn't the league talk shortly before the season started about how they were planning to crack down on hits to the head, and that is part of the reason why the initial suspensions were so high - the offices were trying to send a message that the penalties were going to be more severe than they were last year.

The league could hardly have assumed that the Flyers would start running everything in sight, and thus suffer more suspensions than any other team."

The suspensions are not being applied equally. Kubina's hit, and numerous others that have not recieved even a penalty, are not called, and then not reviewed by the league. Meanwhile, Flyers are suspended for multiple games for lesser offenses. It's a witchhunt.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 6:00 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My God, am I the only one on the planet that realizes that stuff like this has happened in scrums about a billion times before?

Maybe on your planet.

 
At 6:05 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous desdemona said...

If you haven't seen players punch after the linesmen jump in

My problem with this is that the linesmen didn't jump INTO a fight to stop it. They jumped in BEFORE it could start. Blake's gloves weren't even off. A "scuffle" was taking place, not a fight. If a fight were taking place, and Downie threw in one last one as he was being torn away, it would still be a cheap shot, but it would at least be understandable.

Taking the first and only punch on a guy who has his hands behind his back is cowardly, not "being a man". And, I'm sorry bmp, Blake wasn't given the CHANCE to either drop his gloves and fight or duck.

I can't believe that I'm reading that the Canadian media supposedly has a vendetta against Philadelphia. You have a player doing something stupid during a hockey show that weekly draws more people in the ratings than the Winter Classic did then, yeah, I think it's going to be well talked about North of 49.

 
At 6:14 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Phil, good job attacking someones character just cause you keep losing the argument. You should have told your mom instead and maybe she would have put SB on timeout instead.

last time i saw the downie punch it looked like two guys trying to fight and being stopped by linesmans. If Blake didnt want to fight then stop fighting with the linesman to let him go.

is this complaining coming from Leafs fans? same fans that cheered every time Domi or Tucker got in a cheap shot on another team (neidermeyer come to mind anyone?)

FF17

 
At 6:19 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how is downies past relivant but blakes past irrelivant???

also you cant talk about the Kubina hit in all the media when you show a link talking about how dirty the flyers are and then in ( ) it talks about Kubina's hit probably should have been included. Looked like the the author was CYA'ing himself on that one.

 
At 6:24 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the hell?!

This is TOTALLY a witchhunt. It's a bunch of ridiculous garbage.

Go to youtube and search for "Chara Ivanans."

Two seasons ago, in a fight 4 games into the season, Chara was taking on Raitis Ivanans. Ivanans ended up pinned by the linesman, and what did Chara do? He reached around and suckered Ivanans.

He crushed his face with that cheap shot and knocked him out of the NHL for most of the year.

And what did I ever see about it? A bunch of pantywaist Senator fans crowing about what a big man Chara was. Nothing about the fact that it was a gutless cheapshot on a helpless man that could have ended his career.

There was no talk of a suspension. Just lots of bragging by the clowns in Ottawa about how tough "Big Zee" was.

And that's just one example. This happens ALL the time.

I don't like Downie, but this is nothing. I agree 100% that the Canadian media is pushing their agenda here, and that's, "the Flyers are SO awful, and Steve Downie in particular."

Anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't know anything about hockey, END OF STORY.

The next time this happens (which is likely weekly) in some nothing Columbus/Nashville game or something, nobody will say a word about it, and I'll be proven right.

Get a life, you bunch of whiny babies.

 
At 8:00 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Art Vandelay said...

For any amount of money, I'll take Steve Downie against the field.

The bet? First guy in NHL history to be suspended for life.

The current NHL chiefs don't have the guts to do it, but Downie's young enough and guys like Don Cherry (and probably Sutterbrother) are old school enough, that within 20 years we will have moved out of the Paleolithic Age.

Downie is more than a dirty hockey player. He is a certifiable nutjob with a long and dubious history of deplorable tactics.

That he has thrived in organized sport this long speaks volumes about his own psychological makeup, his upbringing, his coaching, his teammates, the win-at-all-costs mentality that pervades organized hockey, and even we fans who would pay to watch this human trainwreck in action.

Steve Downie shames himself, his family and everyone he's ever played with or for. And he shames a brilliant sport.

He should be suspended for life before he can exact any more damage.

 
At 9:00 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

what SutterBrother said in post after post is is correct. but i dont see how Holgren is critical of Downie.

Holmgren is more upset with downie that he didnt live up to the code of the game.

Flyers fans know what is meant when clarke or homer("SkelFlat") comes out and says anything.

the league actually is at fault for not addressing all these problems they are now last year. People are getting sick of hearing this but the instagator rule is the #1 problem facing this league.

bobby clarke said when that rule was first brought into the league that it would create hatered btw players on the ice and someone will die on the ice because of it.

plus the linesman is at more at fault than downie because linesman didnt do his job in wrappung his arms around downie.

the don cherry comment after game just goes to show you that he is a shell of what he used to be and how he bleeds for bruins and leafs.

Im more in embrassed for the ron maclean's of the worlds who want to legisrate things in hockey instead of letting the players police themselves.

As for flyers fan, i think they see this as payback for all the injuries and cheap shots when eric lindros was taken out and btw they NEVER bitched about it the way

 
At 9:09 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong old Sutterbrother breath, Cote's suspension was for making contact in a 4-1 game with 4 minutes to go. Based on his reputation he was given a match penalty and the vacation. My opinion is that they were upset he finished a check, late in a game that was for all purposes over. He got him from the front, elbow down, feet on the ice.




Cote actually has become a better fighter since that vacation

 
At 10:39 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous Gerald said...

That he has thrived in organized sport this long speaks volumes about his own psychological makeup, his upbringing, his coaching, his teammates, the win-at-all-costs mentality that pervades organized hockey, and even we fans who would pay to watch this human trainwreck in action.

I knew there was a reason I read this blog.

In a sea of raving inanity, fanboy homerism and faux tough-guy attitude from guys who have probably never had a physical confrontation in their life inside OR outside of hockey and exhibit an almost painfully freudian penchant for watching uncontrolled violence, the above is THE ONLY post worth reading. Well said, Art, especially this part which bears repeating:

even we fans who would pay to watch this human trainwreck in action

It is a sad commentary indeed.

You know, it has been said that hockey demographics are extremely desirable, with a lot of high earning, highly educated folks watching. Conversations like this make me wonder. What I wonder is whether hockey demographics are a bit like a donut, populated in large part at the extremes of the levels of evolution. It might explain why there are such vehement positions taken on this kind of topic. I mean, I have a hard time believing that some of the folks who have posted here are the same species.

sutterbrother, you should probably take a break to work out your issues. No one here is your father (or mother?). Don't get mad at any of us.

 
At 10:49 PM, January 07, 2008, Blogger Doogie said...

The bet? First guy in NHL history to be suspended for life.

Billy Coutu beat him to the punch (heh) by about 80 years for socking a ref at the end of the 1927 Finals, so I'll take that bet. Or does it not count because he was reinstated five years later?

 
At 11:51 PM, January 07, 2008, Anonymous sv said...

Wow. You don't check the site for a day and look what you miss. What I'd like to know is where all these "average Canadian hockey fans" clamouring for less hitting in the game are? I mean I live in Vancouver, certainly not the "hardest" NHL cities and it's not like I never hear people complaining about a lack of hitting. Instead there's a pretty constant demand for an end to the instigator rule.
As for the NHL having double standards when issuing suspensions all I can say is "duh" Take a look through the archives of this or any other Canadian hockey blog. You'll find them full of criticism of the past few years' suspensions/non-suspensions.
Further, since when did the NHL start caring what the average Canadian hockey fans thinks of it? Certainly not in the last ten years.
And a special thanks to all the Flyers fans dropping by. I can't wait to show them to my brother, a Canadian Flyers Fan.. James runs a pretty swell site when he's not working at a real newspaper(you can find these things if you poke around). However you've given me some great

 
At 9:17 AM, January 08, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That's great Doctor Phil - You've got me pegged, at either one extreme end of the scale or the other. I'm plenty old enough to know I don't need to prove anything to you. Nice attempt at changing the subject though."

Notice you didn't deny it though. No fool like an old fool.

 
At 12:45 PM, January 08, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Notice you didn't deny it though. No fool like an old fool."

Consider it denied, knucklehead. You had no argument, and now you're left with nothing at all.

-Sutterbrother

 
At 4:17 PM, January 08, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sutterbrother - Little selective in your martyring of the Flyers, no? Failing to mention the largest suspensions in the league this year befalling Simon - wherein the victim Ruutu didn't even get hurt.

Hatcher's headhunt cost the Flyers Lupul, but I'm sure in your eyes He has done no wrong.

It's too bad a few rotten apples are ruining the picnic, because Philly has a legit team this year with some outstanding young talent.

As for Downie - this is entirely consistent. He's got talent, but let's hope he figures out how to harness it better. He'll drum himself out of the league at this rate.

 
At 3:01 PM, January 09, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The true enforcers and tough guys in the league stop throwing punches when a player is pinned by the linesman. All the whining in the world and citing of other gutless plays doesn't make what Downie did any less gutless. Flyer fans have a persuction complex, but when your VP Bobby Clarke endorses a sucker punch then that paints the whole orgnaization as bed.

 

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