Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Roys suspended

Quebec Remparts goalie Jonathan Roy was suspended for seven games, and Remparts coach Patrick Roy — Jonathan's father — was suspended for five games following Saturday's melee between their team and the Chicoutimi Sagueneens in a Quebec Major Junior Hockey League playoff.
The suspension for Jonathan Roy is about what I'd expected, especially given he's the team's backup goaltender and banning him really won't affect the series. Suspending Patrick Roy, however, surprises me a bit.

Let's face it, this story wouldn't have made national news three days in a row if not for the names involved. Junior hockey's not often even on the radar here in Toronto, and certainly not the QMJHL, and the fact this is a story that's drawn so much attention really speaks to Roy's star power.

And that attention, in my opinion, also led to larger suspensions than we would have seen otherwise.

The other thing to keep in mind here, something I haven't seen mentioned anywhere, is that Jonathan Roy's far from a goon. He has six career penalty minutes and has never been involved in anything like this before.

In any event, my guess is there'll be a lot more attention paid to tonight's Remparts-Sagueneens matchup than there was the past two.

Colby Cosh has more at the National Post:
An attack on an unwilling bystander, however, is ordinary assault, no different in nature than it would be on the street. Being jumped and pummelled when you are threatening no aggression is absent from the list of risks that one voluntarily accepts as a hockey goaltender.

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At 5:48 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger Jeremy said...

I wonder if the availability of the YouTube video had something to do with it, too. More embarrassing for the league than if it had only been seen locally.

At 6:24 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger Nick said...

is that Jonathan Roy's far from a goon.

He looks like he needs to be brought up on charges of assault to me. That was worst than Bertuzzi. He skated the length of the ice, ripped that guy's helmet off and started pummeling him.


At 6:36 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger James Mirtle said...

I honestly can't understand what either kid is thinking here. Why attack someone who doesn't want to fight? And why not defend yourself if you're being attacked?

It's a really strange situation...

At 6:42 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger Don Johnson said...

as for not responding, I think it might be safe to guess utter and total shock...

At 7:05 p.m., March 25, 2008, Anonymous Kevin Forbes said...

The problem I have with a lot of this is that there is way too much judgment being passed and pronouncements being made based on just the small clips being shown regularly in the media.
I am by no way approving the actions of either Roy, junior or senior, but most fail to consider this took place in the middle of a game, in the second period in fact of a game that was quickly becoming out of hand.
A lot of action led up to the moments that are being plastered across sports networks and websites and a lot of action followed those moments.
The QMJHL officials clearly (and thankfully) viewed the situation as a whole game and whole scenario as opposed to isolated set events, which is why Chicoutimi players also were given suspensions, as well as their coach. While Quebec appears to clearly be the attacker in all the video clips, there was more that isn't being seen that evens the playing ground.
I think the officials have a little blame to carry as well, allowing the game to get to that point.

At 7:17 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger James Mirtle said...

Yeap, excellent points Kevin. I should have mentioned the Chicoutimi side's suspensions as well.

At 8:17 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger Steve Patterson said...

if this wasn't patrick roy's son, this wouldn't be as much of an issue, i don't think. the fact that roy had some great fights in the past, and his son had a fight, is a great media story. the kid should have been suspended for the inappropriate gestures to the crowd. other than that, it was a line brawl, where everybody willingly fought except oddly the chicoutimi goaltender. it wasn't one that hasn't been seen in hockey games for the past 100 years or so.

and assault charges? you have to be kidding me. might as well arrest somebody every time somebody gets an instigator penalty. you criminalize that and you legislate fighting out of hockey.

At 9:16 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger Nick said...

and assault charges? you have to be kidding me.

Where do you draw the line? Would you care if he had took a baseball bat swing at the other dude's head?

Personally I draw that line somewhere between a couple guys agreeing to drop the gloves and one guy skating the length of the ice to rip the helmet off and pound on a guy that clearly has no interest in fighting

At 10:20 p.m., March 25, 2008, Blogger Steve Patterson said...

really? then you might as well arrest a large number of nhl players. you can't use motive in that rule, so all the times a player has attacked a member on an opposing team after a cheapshot should be subject to criminal responsibility.

the court would laugh if such a case was brought to trial. the only reason other assault cases have worked (ie: mcsorely, bertuzzi, boulerice, ciccarelli, ect...) is because the act in question was such a marked departure from what a hockey player could reasonably consent to. basically, the acts were unprecedented.

in your example, it's been done so many times, not only in the past when fighting was a tactic, but this year too, that players have a level of implied consent to that kind of violence, whether they are a fighter or not. it's hockey, not basketball or soccer or some other sport, and like it or not, fighting is part of the professional game.

At 5:32 a.m., March 26, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and assault charges? you have to be kidding me. might as well arrest somebody every time somebody gets an instigator penalty. you criminalize that and you legislate fighting out of hockey.

This would be a good place to start, then.

At 6:20 a.m., March 26, 2008, Anonymous Kevin Forbes said...

Worth mentioning that Quebec bounced back and won last night, 6-1 and now lead the series 2-1 with the next game being played in Quebec.

At 10:54 a.m., March 26, 2008, Anonymous PPP said...

That was worst than Bertuzzi.

Were you drunk when you wrote that Nick? Wow. Just wow.

At 3:18 p.m., March 26, 2008, Blogger Jes Gőlbez said...

Like father, like son... two complete assholes.

Patrick Roy also has a clear history of such bad behaviour. Remember the bus incident?

Someone needs to pummle Patrick. Where is Mike Vernon these days?

At 5:13 p.m., March 26, 2008, Blogger J. Michael Neal said...

That was worst than Bertuzzi.

Were you drunk when you wrote that Nick? Wow. Just wow.

I have to go with Nick here. Judging by results, sure, Bertuzzi did more damage. The action he took, though, was less inherently dangerous than the one Jonathan Roy engaged in. The odds of someone being seriously injured by someone hitting them in the head a bunch of times is significantly greater than the chances of someone being seriously by someone jumping on their back.

At 12:40 p.m., March 27, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it were as simple as Bertuzzi jumping on Moore's back. He didn't ask for a piggy back ride, he pile drove his head into the ice.

I would think there is less damage being punched in the back of the head than having your face smashed against the ice.


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