Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Philly's conspiracy theory

Can't wait to see what's in store for tomorrow night.

This series is just three games old, and already there is way too much circumstantial evidence to support the perennial theorem embraced in the lower 48 at this time of year.

Namely, that Canada looks out for its own.

It's not just the yahoos in the upper levels who believe this, or the bias of announcers paid by the club. Chris Therien, Canadian-born, spoke on Comcast SportsNets's "Daily News Live" yesterday of strange calls made when the Flyers played the Maple Leafs in the playoffs, expressed the belief - nay, conviction - that he and his team felt they were playing Canada's team then.
And then Donnellon climbed in a clown car and drove around in circles while Gary Glitter played in the background.

Honestly, the league would love to see a major American centre like Philadelphia in the finals again. There's no pro-Canada conspiracy — just a few blown calls.

I do, however, get the feeling a lot of fans, Canadian or otherwise, are cheering for the Habs this year for some reason.
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At 3:04 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Karina said...

I don't understand Philly's whining. The number of missed goalie interference calls on them is staggering. Did anyone notice the head shot Richards took on Halak in the last minute of play last night? Jabbing a goalie in the mask should be a penalty and it was missed.

 
At 3:06 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous PPP said...

Calls that went Toronto's way? Is he drunk?

On the other hand, how did the Downie scrum end up in a Montreal powerplay?

As for more fans than usually cheering on the Habs I haven't seen any proof of this at all. Maybe within Quebec but not across Canada.

Why do people think that normal hockey fans jump on their rivals bandwagon? Look at ottawa last year. No one cared.

 
At 3:16 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shouldn't you call yourself Bitter Leaf Fan destined to send money to MLSE instead PPP?
Laugh at Price all you want but it didn't cost Montreal 10 draft picks to get him like your career journeyman Finn.
Don't worry next season it will be back to Hockey Night In Sundinland as your pathetic excuse for a franchise is on the CBC every Saturday night staring back at you just waiting to suck.
I understand none of the other Canadian teams are worthy of carrying the Leafs mighty mighty fan base.
Why don't you just go stick your arrogant attitude up your conceited Toronto ass and go fuck yourself dickweed.

 
At 3:27 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Keith said...

He should have watched the officials in the Calgary-San Jose series if he thought there was a pro-Canadian bias.

The officials blow calls, and they get sucked in, just like anyone else. It sucks for Philly, but I agree with James - the NHL wants a major-market American team in the finals. They would kill for a Philly-Detroit Stanley Cup.

 
At 3:39 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous PPP said...

Nice rant anonymous.

Someone's taken Bitter Leaf Fan already.

Vesa only cost 2 draft picks. Not sure how he became a journeyman with two clubs in the NHL.

It's not that other teams' aren't fit to carry the massive Leafs' fanbase (they aren't) but that I have found that very few normal hockey fans (ie more than casual bandwagon jumpers (ie Montreal fans)) support the other Canadian teams once theirs has been eliminated.

You don't see Oilers fans cheering on the Flames, or Canucks fans cheering on either of those two teams, or any of the Ontario teams' fans cheering on Montreal.

Not sure what part of that is arrogant but considering your response I am not surprised that reading comprehension isn't on your list of skills.

 
At 3:48 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger breed16 said...

Typical Philladelphia. Hey Flyers, here's an idea: try actually not committing penalties. That way, you don't get called for them.

I know, it's hard to do when you average record-breaking amounts per game. Just a thought.

 
At 3:53 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger heed said...

wow that anonymous is one bitter dude. i could care less who wins the stanley cup as long as they make it entertaining.

 
At 3:57 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger saskhab said...

What I find appalling is that Donnellon gets paid for that tripe and E over at Theory of Ice writes actual hockey analysis for free.

 
At 3:58 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think team like flyers would draw ratings because they a team you would love to hate but you love the way they play hockey.

NHL needs NY Rangers or Flyers in the finals because of the tv market not because of a star status like cindy. people sometimes turned off by star players like what is happening in the NBA and MLB.

 
At 4:01 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger Hallock said...

I do hope the Canadiens win over Philadelphia, but I have no belief in some vague Canadian conspiracy against American teams.

The Stanley Cup champions of the last two decades don't reflect that notion anyhow.

 
At 4:03 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger Chiba Chiba Y'all said...

I would say, save for one or two "hate-on" teams, many Canadians do end up rooting for another Canadian team come play offs? Why? Why do you think. Cup drought baby.

I'm on the west coast and as such have many many transplanted friends from the east. Last year almost all of them (save for two that were already Ottawa fans) were on the Ottawa band wagon, despite losing regular season bets to me when the leafs and habs lost to the canucks. They hated paying up when Anaheim won as well...

But in all seriousness, I'd say the pro-montreal stance comes more from them seeming to be the most talented team from canada. The whole cindarella story of Carey Price against the backdrop of the franchise's other rookie goalie sensations of years past also draws interest. Interest + Stellar Play = Fanboy behaviour. Just look at Calgary also being in the playoffs this year... sure, the flames were there, but I don't think a lot of people saw them getting to the cup. I'll tell you though, there is a hate on for Calgary in this city, but that first round, no canucks in the playoffs, man, plenty of cheers at the pub when the flamers were scoring.

The playoffs are exciting. If your team's not in it, you go to the next best thing. Either a player you love, a team you love, or just plain and simple jingoistic pride. I hate the flames during the regular season, but I drove the 12 hours to Calgary to cheer along side the other canadian hockey lovers back in 2004.

 
At 4:03 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

PPP is right. Most hockey fans are just fans of the hometeam. On Vancouver radio they can hardly bring themselves to pretend to care that the hockey playoffs are still on.

And lots of teams would take Toskala off the Leafs' hands.

 
At 4:04 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

karina what richards did was a tap. he tap him, so in your rulebook a tap is a penalty? i wonder if karina would hand out an penalty for a player attacking other players shadow.

anonymous is right, tml has turned
in a pathetic excuse for a franchise.

good job anonymous from anonymous

 
At 4:12 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger Chemmy said...

James, can you disable anonymous comments? They've been brutal lately, and I think that if someone needed to take the time to at least register it would keep out some of the sheer stupidity that keeps popping up.

 
At 4:30 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please get it right, it was not "gary glitter" it was "baby elephant dance" that played in the background. Sheesh this seems sooooo obvious!

 
At 4:30 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Karina said...

Non-incidental contact with a goalie in the blue paint is goalie interference. All the talk about protecting the goalies at the beginning of the 2nd round seems to not apply. I think that if you did that you Brodeur or Luongo, they'd embellish a bit and bring attention to the fact that Richards, on the forecheck, away from the puck, skated into the crease and hit them in the mask. Tap, punch, slash, I don't care the degree to which it's done, I thought the league was going to protect goalies from dumb stuff like that.

 
At 4:37 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I don't understand Philly's whining." They are like this in all sports(they even throw snowballs with d cell batteries in them at football games). Feel lucky that you don't understand the victim mentality that most fans of teams in the north east have. Philly fans even boo their own teams draft picks!

I think Chemmy is right, no one should be able to complain or voice their opinion unless it is exactly the same as his. Get off your ego trip Jason, Bad Mike, Good Mike, and Chris geez.

 
At 4:42 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger itchit said...

@ppp "As for more fans than usually cheering on the Habs I haven't seen any proof of this at all. Maybe within Quebec but not across Canada." - I live in Hamilton, Ontario and like many people I know I'm cheering on the Habs even though we normally cheer on the Leafs.

"Why do people think that normal hockey fans jump on their rivals bandwagon? Look at ottawa last year. No one cared." - Try to think of it like when the players shake hands at the end of the series, you've got to be a good sport, wish your rival good luck and try not to carry a grudge. I'm sure there are more than a few of us who would have enjoyed seeing a Canadian kid like Spezza, Heatley, Fischer, Phillips, Emery, Mcgratton etc raise the Cup with a Canadian Jersey on.

 
At 4:42 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the reason why people in canada is rooting for MTL this year because JFJ sent TML back five years and they know MLSE is runned by abunch of inepted people.

as flyers fan the reason this agrument is brought up because some feel the league is after us since the broad st bullies era and they dont want want us to win the cup again.

i dont buy it but some of the calls made in the playoffs in general looked like something tim doughey would of made in NBA game.

i still remember seeing campbell with a gloat smile on his face handing MTL the cup at center ice at spectrum in 76. ugh.

 
At 4:43 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous desdemona said...

Same old story, different year. At least that's what it seems like to me. Ottawa got preferential (sp?) treatment, Edmonton, Calgary, yadda yadda yadda.

The writer of this column seems blind to, say, the sucker punch on Halak among many other things. And a blatant attempt to injure Umberger? Can anyone tell me that Plekanec did anything beyond sticking out his rear end... slightly? I don't know if Umberger dove, but I didn't see a hit and Umberger didn't miss a shift, so draw your own conclusions. Consider if Hatcher hadn't been running a Canadien from behind at that very moment, there might have been a penalty.

I'm not a Montreal or Philly fan, but IMO calls were missed on both sides of the fence last night.

Chemmy - I registered once. I think blogger ate my password - I don't know what happened to it, but it won't come back to me and I'm sorry but I just dont' want to do it again. Anonymous was being stupid, but don't hold that against the rest of us.

 
At 5:06 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger Bubba said...

More important than any so called "conspiracy theory" is the fact that Gainey gave away Huet for a meaningless 2nd rounder. It never hurts to have 2 talented goalies if you want to go deep in the playoffs.

I thought that teams were supposed to beef up before the post-season? That trade could be the one bone-headed move which ends up costing the Habs the Cup.

 
At 5:17 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous PPP said...

itchit - I just haven't seen the support manifest itself. Plus, if you are a Leafs fan that is now cheering for the Habs then you fit into the definition of a casual fan because no fan that has any real devotion to their team would support their oldest rival.

desdemona - I think Chemmy means the ones that just snap out comments and don't even put a name to them.

I don't see how anonymous can argue that what Richards did wasn't a penalty. He freaking punched Halak in the head.

 
At 5:19 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Huet was not the answer.

 
At 5:28 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Claire said...

Ah, yes, those "evil Americans" are at it again, this time skewing the NHL playoffs in their favor. Please. Last night the Habs blew it. Failed to bury the puck, failed to take advantage of at least one empty net chance,failed on the PP, the Brothers Kovalev-tsyn failed to show up, Price took a powder, and the Habs decided to try to match Philly at the physical game rather than stick to THEIR gameplan. Back to the drawing board, Guy. (and I ain't a Flyers fan.)

 
At 5:34 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous desdemona said...

Claire - did anyone claim anything other than the Habs tanked? I also believe that's true, but at the same time, this conspiracy juice that Sam Donnellon has in his travel-mug is a bit strong.

 
At 5:44 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Pakashkan said...

Honestly, the league would love to see a major American centre like Philadelphia in the finals again. There's no pro-Canada conspiracy — just a few blown calls.

That's just what I'd expect a Canadian co-conspirator to say! You gave yourself away when you spelled the word "centre."

Just joking, for those who read too literally.

 
At 6:48 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger Bruce said...

I find it hard to swallow all the whining coming out of Philadelphia when I think back to the HUGE breaks they got from the officals in Game Seven against the Caps: 1) two-minute 5-on-3; 2) missed goalie interference call on the second Philly goal; 3) very debatable powerplay in overtime leading to the series winner.

They got a lot of gall to be complaining about anything after those gifts.

 
At 6:53 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger Lowetide said...

Man there are a lot of assclowns who have jobs in the creative writing department for American newspapers.

 
At 7:19 PM, April 29, 2008, Blogger Bruce said...

Just read that whole piece and all I can say is this guy lives a rich fantasy life.

"Namely, that Canada looks out for its own."

Would that be the same Canada that has won zero Stanley Cups since the year Gary F. Bettman took over?

 
At 7:36 PM, April 29, 2008, OpenID The Frozen Fan said...

As someone who lives in Philadelphia, loves the Flyers, and regularly reads this blog - Sam Donnellon knows nothing about hockey. He's a Phillies writer who's only writing on the Flyers because they're in the playoffs - he doesn't speak for Flyer fans. If you want to read informed opinions from the Flyers beat wrtier, try Tim Panaccio (also of the Philadelphia Inquirer).

Donnellon is the only Philadelphia person I've seen put this conspiracy idea in print. Most hockey fans here view officiating like anything else - you have to win the games on your own merit, regardless of what the other team or the refs or anyone else might throw at you.

 
At 8:04 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous baroque said...

Would that be the same Canada that has won zero Stanley Cups since the year Gary F. Bettman took over?

Maybe Canada is just really, really bad at looking after their own. :)

 
At 9:25 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As someone who lives in Philadelphia, loves the Flyers, and regularly reads this blog - Sam Donnellon knows nothing about hockey. He's a Phillies writer who's only writing on the Flyers because they're in the playoffs - he doesn't speak for Flyer fans. If you want to read informed opinions from the Flyers beat wrtier, try Tim Panaccio (also of the Philadelphia Inquirer)."

ugh. Panaccio can't come up with his own material and their is reason why he got suspended from inquirer for copying his stories from a "hockey blog website" that somehow found itself in th inquirer the next day.

"I find it hard to swallow all the whining coming out of Philadelphia when I think back to the HUGE breaks they got from the officals in Game Seven against the Caps: 1) two-minute 5-on-3; 2) missed goalie interference call on the second Philly goal; 3) very debatable powerplay in overtime leading to the series winner. "

1. they were questionable calls, 2. throsean was finishing his check because the puck bounced infront of capitals player and 3. the kapanen trip earlier in ot set the bar for the officals to call an pentaly

 
At 11:02 PM, April 29, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What utter claptrap. Donnellon is a hack.

 
At 9:55 AM, April 30, 2008, Blogger therealdeal said...

I'm cheering for Philly, but that article, and its author, are complete jokes.

 
At 10:27 AM, April 30, 2008, Blogger Jonathan said...

Sadly, the two major Philly papers have awful hockey columnists. Please don't waste folks' time commenting on their articles. There hasn't been a competent hockey writer for either the Inqy/Daily News since Les Bowen got a promotion to cover the Eagles about 5 years ago.

 
At 10:57 AM, April 30, 2008, Blogger Chemmy said...

"I think Chemmy is right, no one should be able to complain or voice their opinion unless it is exactly the same as his."

That's not why I want anonymous comments disabled. Most of them, including yours, are just angry ranting with no substance behind them, or personal attacks, again see your comments.

If you can't even be bothered to spend five seconds registering for a name, what you have to say probably isn't that important.

 
At 11:32 AM, April 30, 2008, Blogger James Mirtle said...

James, can you disable anonymous comments? They've been brutal lately, and I think that if someone needed to take the time to at least register it would keep out some of the sheer stupidity that keeps popping up.

That's been under consideration for a while. For now, I'm willing to live with them and delete the really awful ones (I've been off the grid for a few days so everything's been coming through).

We'll see; I like that it allows more discussion, but you're right in that it sometimes detracts from what others are bringing to the table.

 
At 12:09 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous dmg said...

You know, aside of all the whining and whatnot, he loses a lot of credibility for for being factually incorrect:

*Downie did trip Price (it was pretty obvious on the replays)

*The NHL rules on boarding are: # A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.


Boullion's face was cut as a result of the play, so the five and the game makes a lot of sense.

 
At 12:15 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous dmg said...

I find it hard to swallow all the whining coming out of Philadelphia when I think back to the HUGE breaks they got from the officals in Game Seven against the Caps: 1) two-minute 5-on-3; 2) missed goalie interference call on the second Philly goal; 3) very debatable powerplay in overtime leading to the series winner.

They got a lot of gall to be complaining about anything after those gifts.


(1) There was none.

(2) It was goalie interference. It was, however, interference committed on Morrisonn b/c Thoresen hit him when he didn't have the puck and hence sent him into Huet

(3) Poti's penalty was definitely a penalty. Earlier similar calls (or at least one) had been missed, both Poti still tripped the Flyers player

 
At 12:39 PM, April 30, 2008, Blogger itchit said...

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At 1:23 PM, April 30, 2008, Blogger PPP said...

itchit - by saying that you are cheering for the Habs you've proven that you aren't much of a fan of the Leafs. You are a great fan of Canadian hockey or NHL hockey but not a Leafs fan.

Sorry it's not the most recent history between the two clubs. I guess since it's been 4 years since the Leafs have played the sens that you were cheering them on against the Pens.

And you would take your wife's side if you knew what was good for you. ;)

 
At 1:26 PM, April 30, 2008, Blogger itchit said...

@ppp "if you are a Leafs fan that is now cheering for the Habs then you fit into the definition of a casual fan because no fan that has any real devotion to their team would support their oldest rival." - when were the habs and leafs last regular bitter rivals? The 1960's? Where is this definition of a casual fan? I checked Websters and Oxford but couldn't find it, maybe Funk & Wagnalls? Seriously though I'm not sure how to prove to you how much of a fan I am but I have to question your criteria. I wish to ask your advice on this: My wife and son regularly play Go Fish and Crazy Eights. You could say they are their own "oldest rivals". Now if I cheer for my wife, but don't hate my son would you say I was a "casual" husband, not a "devoted" husband? How about if I cheer for my son but don't hate my wife? Am I then a "casual" father? Can you help out with some of this negative "you don't love this team unless you hate their rivals from 40+ years ago" logic? (To be read over The Beatles "All You Need Is Love" playing softly in the background.)

 
At 1:30 PM, April 30, 2008, Blogger itchit said...

A slight adjustment to apply to this argument better. And thanks for the advice - "a happy wife = a happy life!"

 
At 1:38 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous dvc said...

I'd say the main point of the article was to get a reaction, to get people talking. Judging by the reaction on this blog, mission accomplished. Can't say that I really take it that seriously otherwise.

I'm a Flyers fan who's more frustrated with the undisciplined penalties the Flyers have taken than the way the refs are calling the games. But if the players want to use this "us against the world" mentality as extra motivation, that's fine by me. Not exactly original, but whatever works.

Like or hate the Flyers, they're an unpredictable team that's made for some of the more entertaining hockey in these playoffs.

 
At 2:00 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous Karina said...

PPP, I don't think that cheering for the Habs in these playoffs means you're not a real Leafs fan. Who're Leafs fans supposed to cheer for in this series - Philly, the last team to oust them from the playoffs? That makes no sense to me. If you're cheering for them, you're cheering for goonery and whining, and cheering for a team that, I feel, has had the second most bitter rivalry with the leafs in the past ten years. Remember the fan jumping into the penalty box with Domi? I'll never align myself with those fans. At least the Habs fans were my neighbours growing up and in my time as a Leafs fan, have provided the most entertaining games. When was the last time we even faced them in the playoffs?

 
At 3:48 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous marie-gabrielle said...

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At 4:37 PM, April 30, 2008, Blogger itchit said...

@karina - well said. I remember when Eric Lindros (allegedly)did the nasty with Brind'amour's wife. The Flyers showed their loyalty to Brind'amour in his vulnerable moment by trading him instead of Lindros. The Karmic tax since the trade? - Stanley Cups: Brind'amour 1, Lindros 0, Flyers 0.
@ppp - just curious, how do you feel about Tampa Bay and Anaheim (read- tank tops and flip flops all winter long) winning Cups as opposed to Montreal (read- Canadian & original 6)?

 
At 5:03 PM, April 30, 2008, Blogger PPP said...

It's not cheering for Philadelphia it's cheering against Montreal.

Recently yes, the history with the Flyers is much more bitter and for that I'll cheer on the Penguins as they demolish them in the ECF.

But you can't forget history just because of two playoff series.

itchit - I'd rather Tuscaloosa Alabama win the Cup than any other Canadian team.

 
At 5:04 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watching the game the other night I did notice that in 60 minutes of play, Montreal only had 3 penalties called against them that lead to power plays. 2 of those penalties are the results of plays in which the judgement of the officials does not come into play, namely puck over the glass and too many men on the ice. This means that Montreal managed to play an entire 60 minute game while only committing 1 trip/hook/hold/interference/slash penalty but the Flyers managed to commit 2 of those on one shift.

For sake of argument, it can be granted that all the the Flyers penalties were legit (they were). I think that rumors like this come from the notion that it is virtually impossible to play a full game and only commit 1 trip/hook/hold/interference/slash penalty, even if you are on the power play for over 15 minutes.

In general, the officials have been horrible this playoff (the no call on Forsberg last night was brutal) in most series. It just seems that in this one series the bulk of the calls have favoured the Habs.

 
At 8:48 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"@karina - well said. I remember when Eric Lindros (allegedly)did the nasty with Brind'amour's wife. The Flyers showed their loyalty to Brind'amour in his vulnerable moment by trading him instead of Lindros. The Karmic tax since the trade? - Stanley Cups: Brind'amour 1, Lindros 0, Flyers 0. "

he did have affair with his wife. it well known by people around the flyers and most of the fan base. this is old news

Flyers had no choice but trade him its a lose/lose for the team and preserved lindros ego when he was with the flyers. flyers made the wrong choice.

 
At 10:49 PM, April 30, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

flyers and megadeath = awesome combination

megadeath on flyers arenavision
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=71048a31-cf45-4aa4-bf7c-fb5c9e8177c8

 
At 10:56 AM, May 01, 2008, Anonymous George McPhee said...

Dear Philadelphia Flyers,

You have a lot of balls to complain about officiating not going your way.

Love always,
The Washington Capitals

 

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