Monday, June 16, 2008

Pick your Hall of Fame inductees

The annual meeting of the Hockey Hall of Fame Selection Committee will be held in Toronto on Tuesday, June 17th, 2008 to select and announce this year's inductees. This fall's Induction Weekend festivities will run from Friday, November 7th through Sunday, November 9th, 2008 culminating with the Induction Celebration on Monday, November 10th, 2008.

The Class of 2008 will be a unique induction. Because of the lost 2004-05 season due to NHL labour issues, there are no first-time eligible candidates as no player officially retired in 2005.
Some tough picks this time around for the committee. I'm interested to see who those who stop by here think should be selected:




At 1:20 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger saskhab said...

Guy Carbonneau was the best defensive forward of his generation and also won 3 Stanley Cups (1 as team captain). He also reached the Finals two other times. The QMJHL named an award after him because of his defensive prowess.

He deserves mention every time the field opens up, as it does this year.

But Dino is overdue. My three wouldn't include Carbo this time around, as I'd go with 3 forwards... Dino, Larionov, and Gilmour.

At 1:38 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Adam C said...

That is tough - and I might have voted for Carbonneau if he'd been on the list.

I wouldn't vote for Barrasso, and I'd want a second look at the careers of Lemieux and Makarov before I voted for them. The rest look decent, but then other than Larionov there are no iron-clad picks, either.

At 1:56 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Hooks Orpik said...

Ciccarelli (600 goal scorer has to go in), Larinov (it's the Hockey Hall of Fame, not just NHL HOF) and Gilmour (since he was among the best forwards in the game for a time).

It hurt me personally not to go with Barrasso. And others like Bure and Makarov deserve serious consideration too.

At 2:34 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Hallock said...

Ciccarelli and Larinov are the two I felt certain about.

At 2:37 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Jimmy Jazz said...

Oates was one of the greatest setup men of the modern era.

Oates, Larionov, and Dino.

At 2:52 p.m., June 16, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Larionov for sure.

Why is Ciccarelli so overdue? I'm surprised he isn't already in.

At 4:37 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Hallock said...

Ciccarelli has had a lot of bad publicity run-ins, being convicted of crime and a few other incidents. It has probably factored into his induction status.

At 6:49 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Scott said...

I think the reasons that Dino isn't in yet are a combination of

1. Stories circulating about him seem to imply that he is a bad person, though a good hockey player, and people don't like voting for bad people.

2. He really was never that special. He had a lot of sustain but he finished in the top 10 in scoring only twice and never in the top 5. He was never a top 10 player in the league. I'd guess that leaves some voters thinking he just isn't good enough, as compared to someone like Pavel Bure who was in the top 10 in scoring five times and was clearly one of the most exciting players in the league at his peak.

3. He didn't play for the Habs or Leafs in the 60s or earlier.

At 7:02 p.m., June 16, 2008, Anonymous ken said...

It's weird how Glenn Anderson is so ignored. His regular-season numbers are virtually identical to Lanny McDonald's. Anderson is frozen out, but people couldn't wait to get Lanny into the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility.

At 8:31 p.m., June 16, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eight comments before Anderson is even mentioned?


I am beginning to wonder if anyone actually watched Anderson play. The guy did nothing but score big goals, at opportune and important times.

Oh well, I guess people just perceive it was him tagging along with Gretzky, Messier, and Coffey.

Well I can assure you all that he wasn't.

At 8:44 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger PDO said...

Amazed that Anderson barely got a mention through there.

Should be him, Dino and Larionov....

At 9:19 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger islacker said...

I remember talk a while back about Anderson not making it into the Hall because of his reputation as a dead-beat dad. This was a couple of years ago and the subject of that conversation was how much a person's image outside of hockey plays into it. Seems to be directly affecting Dino's chances too.

At 10:14 p.m., June 16, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was tempted to vote for Cullimore, just to be topical.

At 10:16 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Joe said...

Adam Oates:
All Time Assists - 6th (!)
All Time Points - 15th

It will be a crime if he never gets in. 1400+ points is a lot to leave out of the Hall. I suppose the same could be said for Gilmour.

At 11:38 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger itchit said...

This is the Case against Glenn Anderson:
"Former NHL star Glenn Anderson is facing possible jail time for failing to pay more than $112,000 in child support for his 12-year-old son.
Anderson, 41, owns two homes in the Caribbean islands of Turks and Caicos and has a net worth of approximately $600,000. But in court documents, he claims he is "broke" and unable to find suitable work.
Despite his arrears, in 2000 Mr. Anderson paid $17,000 US for a new dock and $7,000 US for a hot tub at his Turks home.
Although Anderson wants access to Nicholas, he admits in discovery he has never bought the boy a birthday or Christmas present, nor has he ever called to say hello. Nicholas knows who his father is and has seen him on TV, but he has had no direct contact with Anderson since a brief visit when he was five.
O'Connor, a single mother, says her son would love to play hockey, just like his dad, but she can't afford to buy him the equipment."
Ottawa Citizen,2002

Too bad for Anderson that dead beat dads are seen not as role models, but jerks.
However if Ike Turner, known as a dillweed who for years beat on his girlfriend Tina Turner, got in to the rock n roll Hall of Fame in 1991, then maybe there's a chance for Anderson. Certainly what he did on the ice (especially in the postseason-top 5 playoff scorer,6 Cups!) makes him deserving. It'll be interesting to see what the voters will do...

At 11:59 p.m., June 16, 2008, Blogger Art Vandelay said...

If being a dillweed excludes someone from the Hall, they can close down the current premises and re-open next weekend in a meeting room at the Airport Ramada.

Just picking from the most obvious dead guys (to be safe): Eddie Shore, James Norris, Bill Wirtz, Harold Ballard.

Is it a Hockey Hall of Fame or the membership roll for the Church Latter Day Saints?

The pencil-necks want to punish Anderson because he was an unco-operative @-h0le in his playing days.

How many holes did Anderson punch in his wife's bedroom door?

How many officials did he hit up for loans to cover up gambling debts?

How many Porsches did he wrap around poles and fail to report until the next morning?

How much snow did he hoover into his nose between starts?

At 2:05 a.m., June 17, 2008, Blogger Swabbubba said...

Oh they played the child support card. I knew it would happen. The Gilmour rumours.. why did Dougie come to Calgary... Bure and supposed ties to Russian mob. Some of the plays of Claude L come on look at Drapers face.
This is based on Hockey skills and Glenn Anderson has those by boat loads,, the guy could fly and him rolling in on a goalie in full flight was beautiful.

At 6:46 a.m., June 17, 2008, Blogger itchit said...

@Art V.,Swabubba. - I love a good debate.
- Is there a line a hockey player can cross in his personal life that would eliminate him from Hall of Fame induction in your mind?
It may be human nature to exclude someone if they commit a heinous enough crime. Do you think the voters would induct a serial rapist, child molester or someone guilty of murder for profit?(random fictional examples, definitely not comparing to Anderson, Ciccarelli) If you agree there is a line, then where is it? Deadbeat dad? I'm glad I don't have to decide.

At 6:58 a.m., June 17, 2008, Anonymous matskralc said...

This is based on Hockey skills

If only that were actually true. From HHOF's Summary of Election Procedures:

"Playing ability, sportsmanship, character and their contribution to the team or teams and to the game of hockey in general. "

At 9:52 a.m., June 17, 2008, Blogger Dennis Prouse said...

Pavel Bure is the most electrifying player on that list by a country mile. Like Cam Neely, he had an injury plagued and ultimately injury shortened career, but like Neely he was a dominant player when healthy. (He also has better numbers than Neely.) Bure had some incredible career moments, such as his performance in the '94 playoffs, his five goal game in Nagano in '98, and the way he singlehandedly carried the Florida Panthers' offense on his back for two seasons when his knees were already giving out.

In the last few years, the Hockey Hall of Fame has inducted Bernie Federko, Clark Gillies, and pretty much any guy who pulled on a jersey for the early 1960s Toronto Maple Leafs. If that is the criteria, then there are a lot of deserving names on this list. Anderson, Larionov and Bure would be my top three.

At 12:55 p.m., June 17, 2008, Blogger Swabbubba said...

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At 1:33 p.m., June 17, 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bure, Larionov, Housley. Where's the love for Housley? All-time leading American born scorer (til record broken last November) All-time leading scorer among American defensemen

At 2:03 p.m., June 17, 2008, Blogger general borschevsky said...

"Playing ability, sportsmanship, character and their contribution to the team or teams and to the game of hockey in general. "

Larionov, Housley, Gilmour.

At 2:27 p.m., June 17, 2008, Anonymous ken said...

That opens the question whether character refers to on-ice activities or off-ice as well.

Certainly the other two traits ("playing ability" and "sportsmanship") refer to purely on-ice accomplishments.

I don't know. It's an open question, I think.

At 9:05 p.m., June 17, 2008, Anonymous Gerald said...

In no way, shape or form was Doug Gilmour a HOFer.


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